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03-06-2013 05:49 PM
zz4gta
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

The $70 is for VPC, cover included. The splice you don't need, or you could pay someone $25 to do it.
03-06-2013 05:39 PM
deltaten
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

LOL.. I *know* yer right, zz.. I'm just in denial
03-06-2013 05:38 PM
deltaten
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

zz;

Yes, I understand the logic and such of replacement vs tryin' ta save a buck
There's a big *BUT* involved, though. *IF* the sheaves will accept the rope;' *IF* the sheaves aren't chewed up, etc. Life would be grand if all the uncertainties were settled. I like the idea of having spare sheaves atop the mast; but until I actually get up there and find out what is what
The $70 for the fwd halyard is OK...then add the cover and splice. Now double it to include the main. ??
The plan was to use a compatible line; something that could be spliced on to (into?) the proposed and future dyneema/amsteel.

Thanks,
Paul
03-06-2013 05:32 PM
zz4gta
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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Originally Posted by deltaten View Post
Faster;

... If, at some point in the future, When I need to ascend the mast...

Thanks,
Paul;
Fixed it for you.
03-06-2013 05:25 PM
deltaten
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Faster;

I didn't need to cut the wire.. I simply cut thru the eye splice in the end of the rope where it looped/attached to the wire eye and thimble. Apparently, I have the dreaded "hack-job" of rigging wire-to-rope splices. Whether this was done at the factory or by a PO is unknown. The idea top replace the wire with amsteel or dyneema is OK; just beyond any part of immediate plans.

If, at some point in the future, I need to ascend the mast, I'll try to determine what sheaves are present and then decide if I wish to swap out the wires for rope. As it stands now, I'm simply going to find a way to attach the rope mechanically to the existing wire eye.

Thanks,
Paul;
03-06-2013 05:13 PM
zz4gta
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

70' for $70 5/16" VPC, tie a knot and you're done.
Are we really trying justify saving a couple bucks?

Look at it this way, ever have to go up your rig? How old is that wire? Do you trust your life to it? Would you send your wife up on it? I don't trust 30+ year old wire. There's no way to tell if it is going to fail.
03-06-2013 04:36 PM
pdqaltair
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

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Originally Posted by bwindrope View Post
Well, the main reason I use a shackle is because I remove the halyard from the sail once it is down so that I can attach the halyard to a deck fitting on my pilothouse to avoid it banging on the mast. I'm one of those people who absolutely detests lines banging on a mast.
Agreed.

It is easy to prevent slap by tension the halyard to a spreader wire or some other point. run the halyard under the winch drum, then up through a small loop attached to a diamond wire, and then tension the halyard hard. About 3 seconds. This also holds the headboard down. It also means I'm ready to hoist in 2 seconds.

Haven't released the headboard shackle in 4 years.
03-06-2013 02:06 PM
Faster
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

So... are you intending to cut off the existing rope/wire splice and redo it with new rope? The only way that's going to happen is to cut off the wire at the earliest exposed part, and then try to splice the new 'tail' onto the wire that's left. The splice is going to end up a couple of feet long overall, most likely, so make sure your overall length will end up correct.. When the halyard's down to the deck the rope section will be travelling further over the sheave and into the mast than before.

Since we're talking about replacing over the half the overall length of the combined halyard I think it would be better to go to all rope now and avoid the splice, future meathooks, a pint or two of blood loss, the extra deck soap you'll need to clean the blood spots off the deck etc .... You'll be happy you did...
03-06-2013 01:57 PM
Stumble
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Delta,

Looking at the specs for your boat you would need something like a 70' halyard. Figuring 3/16 amsteel blue at $.90/foot, plus a ten foot section of cover (though you probably have some old stuff you could reuse) at $.53/foot. A new high tech line would run $68 or so.

And unless the sheaves are seriously damaged by your existing wire shouldn't need replacement. The reason most need to be replaced is because the wire used to be much smaller than the line that was replacing it, but with modern synthetics you can use the same size line as wire.
03-06-2013 12:18 PM
deltaten
Re: recommendations for halyard attachment??

Stumble;

The sail-end of the halyards is existing wire. All I need to do is attach new working/handling-end sheets. I priced the wire-to-rope replacement kits and all seem to run near to $120. Depending on type/brand...to replace wire with amsteel or dyneema and some other sort for the working end... stayset-x or VPC; I'd end up near the same..possibly a little cheaper

This is assuming that my head sheaves would run the synthetic without changing them out. For now, I plan on the handling-end change to a grade/type of line that , in the future, *may* be spliced to a synthetic. But that's all down the road
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