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01-03-2007 06:04 PM
hellosailor Thunderfog, you should move to a more progressive state. In many of them, all you have to do is tell a collections agency "This is not a valid debt because I never subscribed (etc)" and then by law, they are forbidden from further contact with you. And they'll drop you then and there, because the fines for improper collection attempts get steep fast.

I doubt PS just started billing you at random. More likely that someone put your name on the list, intentionally, to harass you. High school kids are good at that, some of them never outgrow it. And for that reason, every publication is aware of this problem and pretty much every one of them will drop it when you say "I didn't subscribe, go away."
01-03-2007 05:58 PM
ThunderFog I had a real bad experiance with Practical Sailor. Some how they got my address from some list and sent me a free copy. Additional copies followed. Then came a bill! Then came demands that I pay that bill!! Finally I got a collections notice!!! I had to get a lawer to tell them they didn't have a leg to stand on because I never ordered the magizine in the first place. Harrashment I say. Probably just a missunderstanding so I dropped the whole thing and so did they. Being mad is just a waste of time and energy. Still cost me the lawer fee.... Which was more then the original bill, but I couldn't have the blemish on my credit.
01-02-2007 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by deckhanddave
I have a subscription to practical sailor as well but have noticed an alarming number of serious errors in their issues. Errors like doing a rating of winches and stating the wrong facts for the winch. Though this doesn't seem like a life altering error, it effected the outcome of their test.
I have had a PS sub for a few years, and as I am on a multi-year fitting out course, it's invaluable. For a trailer sailor, it's likely overkill, although they do quite a few articles on cleaning supplies and gadgets and safety gear that apply to all boaters.

I do agree about quality control at PS, however. Since they went to colour (and slightly before), I have been seeing far too many copy-editing and proofing errors, rendering some articles nonsensical. I actually applied to be an editor (I'm in this field), but didn't make the cut. Too bad, because it looks like no one's in charge of reading the thing for sense before it goes to press.

Ocean Navigator is pretty hard-core, and I like it for that. I even do the CN puzzles at the back. Good Old Boat is pricey in Canada, and while it looks good, I rarely read it. Sail and Crusing World I gave up, because they focus on dock jewellery and tropical marinas and my budget and ambitions are more steel boat on the hook-oriented. Although I did like the "Hands On Sailor" project ideas. You can buy used books online for that sort of thing.

I suspect that local publications that cater to trailer sailors, small trawlers and power boaters in fresh water would suit you better, as would online forums like this one.
12-30-2006 01:02 PM
LyleRussell I have had good luck with Practical Sailor over the past 20 years. I keep the old issues in a binder because I find things of interest years later. Primarily excellent product evaluations.
12-30-2006 12:48 PM
pigslo I have always read PS with a wary eye as I have found numerous inconsistencies in their methodology. ! example was their test of adhesives where they determined that 5200 was not very sticky. I know oterwise and after looking at their test method (different size gobs on the end of wooden dowels) I can see why. This invalidated the findings for me. That being said, they do test a wide range of products and if you read the test method, you can usually figure out if the info is any good.
12-30-2006 08:09 AM
sailaway21 A lot of what PS publishes gets handed down by members on this site, so I get the info anyway. Sailnet does seem to have allied with them to the extent of publishing their boat reviews.
12-30-2006 07:38 AM
Originally Posted by SailorMitch
Practical Sailor is aimed more at testing and recommending gear, bottom paints, anchors, etc. While it does have boat reviews, that is not the reason most people subscribe to it. I have subscribed for years and wouldn't be without it. SNIP
I subscribe to Pratical Sailor and it appears to be published by the same outfit that publishes Aviation Consumer which I've subscribed to off and on over my years as a pilot and found very useful.

As new boat owners we find many if not most of the articles in PS are of interest,, but suspect that after a couple of years you will have seen most of what there is to see evaluated and the articles will start to be repetitive. At least that's how it went with our subsctiption to Aviation Consumer. At that point I switched to a cycle where I resubcribe for a year every couple of years to see what's new.
12-30-2006 12:10 AM
deckhanddave my vote is also with "Good Old Boat". Their magazine is a real cover to cover read and it really is the magazine for everyone else (else meaning those who aren't on the market for a brand new 200k investment). I have a subscription to practical sailor as well but have noticed an alarming number of serious errors in their issues. Errors like doing a rating of winches and stating the wrong facts for the winch. Though this doesn't seem like a life altering error, it effected the outcome of their test. If you were to just jump into that article without any prior research, you'd be at a severe disadvantage.
12-29-2006 07:30 PM
sailaway21 Had ps and dropped it. Good at what they do, but not relavent, on a consistent basis, to me. Good Old Boat is universally admired-in fact, I think you can tell when it hits the mailbox because nobody is in sailnet that night! Check out ,they have a trailer-sailer forum. I have a 21' Cal that technically sleeps four (it can) but that's not the same as saying four people can comfortably sit below and play cribbage until the rain stops. My boat weighs 1100 lbs, has a swing keel, and tows wonderfully. There are a lot of boats this size out there-but you won't find too many sellers taking out expensive ads to sell them so you have to look a little harder.
Check out the trailer and how the boat fits on it as well. The good news is that boats in this class, and price range, will sell in a few years for about what you paid for it.
12-29-2006 03:17 PM
ptsbug I'm keenly interested in an Oday 25, but it needs a trailer.
I found a paceship 23 that I can pick up for a reasonable amount with a trailer, and probably use that for a few years.
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