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Re: New (to me) Spirit 23k

Hello WolfmanBob,

The Neuse is our sailing ground. Would that be Duck Creek you've got your boat at in those pics? Had our boat hauled and painted there last winter. We keep the boat at the New Bern Grand and try to get down there every weekend we can during Spring, Summer, and Fall. I'll keep an eye out for you when the weather warms up.


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It was at Duck Creek. What a great place for DIY'ers. The people there were very nice and the price is reasonable.

I keep my boat at a friend's dock in Fairfield Harbor but will probably move to Matthews Point this spring. I'll be looking for you too. What's your boat name?
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I'm somewhat familiar with Matthew's Point, our 104 class sailed out of there. A decent little marina, but not too much else in the area, which is fine if you like things quiet.

Our money-pit is called Cal A Lily, a 1981 Cal 2-25. I use a profile drawing of one as my sig.


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Agreed, twoshoes, the area is lacking in amenities. But I live in Morehead City and Matthews Point is much closer to home.

I'll keep my eyes open for you.
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WolfmanBob- I had a random flash of something this evening that made me come look at your pics again. It does not look like you have a boom vang. Zippey did not either. Sailed her for years without one (and frankly did not know what they did!). After I started racing on other peoples boats I quickly realized the value of a vang and added one to Zippey. I also added a cunningham (main downhaul) because I could not get the halyard tight enough. The difference in performance was astounding! She points much better upwind now and her mainsail shape is a ton better. If I add a traveler I am confident she will point even higher and I will be able to keep (nearly) with my buddy's Cal 24.

This image is stolen from a Google Image search, but it is essentially what I did


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If you are curious I designed a traveler system with an engineer buddy who has been racing for 31 years quite successfully. The goal was to build something as cheaply as possible that would require the least amount of modification to the boat. It has not been implemented yet. What I wound up with is a line based system that uses a single continuous line and can be attached to the transom cleats. It can be quickly disconnected and the traditional inverted V hooked back up also. Here is a link to my design and write up about it https://www.evernote.com/l/Ae2TxuBul...y9xGRA88XoWcIQ.
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Wow, thanks for the info, blogaugh. The timing is ironic because the guy I bought the boat from and I are both engineers and we were just discussing how to set up a boom vang and a traveler very similar to what you showed. We like your design better and he's planning to implement it on one of his boats as well. I'll let you know how it goes.

I really appreciate you sharing that info with me.
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Sorry, blobaugh not blogaugh.
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Hehe, no problem!

Def report back on how it works out for you. I have not implemented it yet myself. If you get to it first I would love to know your experience.
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Re: New (to me) Spirit 23k

WolfmanBob did you ever try out that traveler setup?

Another thought just hit me, from the the new Beneteaus that were at the Seattle boat show. They have an arch over the cockpit that has two connection points on it about 45 degrees off the centered boom. No traveler. This supposedly allows you to get the same results as a traveler. Eliminates a lot of possible failure points, extra lines, and a traveler in the way somewhere to manage. For cruising I can see it being effective, for racing it might work but I would want the connection points further out.

Anyways, you could potentially run a system like this of the existing inverted V connection points. It may be what the designer was originally going for actually but having the mainsheet above the point of the V seems to have ruined the usefulness.

Beneteau has a page devoted to this system Mainsail arch | Beneteau

Here is a pic of it. Note the single solid connection on the boom. From there it runs up and down to create its V, and then up to the front. That last part could be changed, otherwise it might be worth trying.

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No, blobaugh, I haven't done anything with the traveler yet. That setup is interesting. It certainly seems simpler.
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