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MaryRoseErie 06-09-2011 06:31 PM

Where to put jib lines around the shrouds
 
I'm not quite sure where the lines from the jib are supposed to go on my Oday 25 1976. I've been putting them in between the shrouds, and also outside of them, but they keep getting caught on the shrouds. Are they supposed to go inside of the shrouds?
Thanks

AdamLein 06-09-2011 06:56 PM

Outside of everything, assuming you don't have spinnaker sheets rigged. They should only go under the lifelines at the last possible moment.

If, like me, you are lazy and like to keep your fenders on deck for short sails, then you can run your sheets under the fender lines so that when you pull the fenders on deck, the sheets are now outside everything again (if this doesn't make sense to you, you might have your fenders tied on differently. You'll figure it out).

sailingfool 06-09-2011 07:05 PM

Depends on the size of the jib and the location of the turning blocks...

If you are trimming the sheet to the toerail, you probably want to go outside the shrouds.

If you are trimming a large jib like a 150%, you trim it outside because it wont fit under the spreaders.

If you are trimming a smaller jib and have inside tracks, trim it inside the upper shroud or you lose a bunch of pointing ability.

AdamLein 06-09-2011 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfool (Post 739056)
If you are trimming a smaller jib and have inside tracks, trim it inside the upper shroud or you lose a bunch of pointing ability.

This depends on whether his shrouds are inboard or outboard. But even then, somebody asking this question probably does not have a huge demand for super-high pointing ability, and if he goes inside the shrouds and doesn't have an alternate sail for broad reaches, he could have chafe problems.

sailingfool 06-09-2011 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamLein (Post 739061)
This depends on whether his shrouds are inboard or outboard. But even then, somebody asking this question probably does not have a huge demand for super-high pointing ability, and if he goes inside the shrouds and doesn't have an alternate sail for broad reaches, he could have chafe problems.

What depends...?

The question of inboard versus outboard shrouds only affects how close you can trim, if trimming inboard or if trimming outboard, but I can't see how it affects the decision as to to trimming inside or outside.

Trimming a jib outside which could be trimmed inside, probably adds about 15-20 degrees to the tacking angle, a material hit to performance which one is of course free to choose to accept. As to the chafing, unless you are on a point of sail for a few days it is not a material consideration.

AdamLein 06-10-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfool (Post 739077)
What depends...?

Whether it's an acceptable loss of pointing ability depends on placement of shrouds.

Quote:

As to the chafing, unless you are on a point of sail for a few days it is not a material consideration.
True, but those few days don't have to be in a row. Seems to me like chafe is always something to avoid.

edit: haha it's absolutely a material consideration.

MaryRoseErie 07-18-2011 06:57 PM

I've been sticking with outside the shrouds. I believe the shrouds are inboard. The lines on the end of the jib seem to get caught on the shrouds, but I have a GIANT jib, practically genoa size... so inside makes the sail scrape against those shrouds.


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