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Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
Yet, if I am completely honest with myself and you guys (and anyone else that cares to listen), I suspect their leaving was inevitable - or at least some time away from here. Giu and Cam were the key members of the core group and Giu set up his own site. CK, who had a great relationship with many of the newer core group, also helped set it up and runs it. It is physically impossible to post on two sites at the same time, so something had to give. With Cam followed many of the other posters that all "hung around" each other. And so the dominos fell. Most of the core group quit posting here a long time ago.
I wish them well over there. I have no hard feelings. And I also urge everyone here to remember that I did not remove them from this site. They left of their own accord and are welcomed to come back at any time they want. Maybe they will, maybe they wont. But Sailnet is nothing more than what the members make it. If there are some things that you guys want to do or change to make it better, then I suggest doing it. Make it happen. Tell me and I will try to make things different or better. You make this place - maybe more now than before. You are now the core members.
- CD
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Hey Brian, how’s it going? Hope you’re feeling better, and that the current events in you private life, are but a fast passing storm in the sea of life.
Brian, I felt I needed to return here this once and say my peace and that only because you mentioned me, so here it goes.
Brian, you and most of the older guys here, (the “core”, if you want to call it that, - although I always thought of SN as a “soft core” group, because many would come, be in it heavy with us, participate a lot, become part of it and simply just leave over night), know that I was on Sailnet, for several reasons, the main ones being to entertain myself (yes..sorry I was mostly here for the fun), to have a good time with friends that I did not know and many that I became personal with, to pass my time while at work, and to learn human experiences..at the same time, my return token was my comedy and my sailing experience, if we can call it that…my return was simple, clear, honest and above all open..as it always will be, here or elsewhere.
Many know it, especially those that know me and whom I related most and that joined before early 2008, that I would have “come and go moments”, where I would simply leave SN for weeks and sometimes months, whenever things got boring, obnoxious, or I just wasn’t having fun anymore…you know how many times I “left” only to return to my friends a while after…I would normally post about that…whine about SN this and SN that, and leave on a “posting vacation”..
So I was what one could consider a “volatile presence”…I would leave if I got pissed off, of I was under attack as I was many times as you know (some rather bad ones too), or simply if I felt there was no content that justified my presence anymore…I did that over at Anarchy and ended up leaving them too, which increased my presence at SN..early in 2006 (although as you know I come back from the original SN in 2001 under other names, not too important now…as I deleted most of my posts from then).
Anyway…
Everything has a cycle, live and death..even forum presence…we come in shy, we build on it, we participate and we end up leaving..it’s a natural cycle of life..some cycles last longer than others.
Brian, my presence at Sailnet wasn’t, in my opinion that much wanted any more, and I could feel that, really. Over the years here I built a character that was either loved or hate..and lately I could feel; the hate more and more..
Maybe because I was always transparent and said things as I saw them, maybe because many here have Old Shoes and took the Old Shoe jokes wrong, or even some because I called bulshit bulshit…I had no problems in being what I am, honest and clear..once you do that, over and over, you end up stepping on people’s feelings..but hey..I am not going to paint crap in nice pink nuances so I don’t offend people..
I felt that my character got worn out, add to that that I was feeling the “negative” remarks adding up, to the point of some miserable low lives attacking me even after I left here, yes..they did that. So I stepped out..simple as that, it’s life.
My grandmother used to tell me: “if you don’t like the chair, don’t seat on it, but don’t complain:..
Having that, I knew that one day I would leave, and so did other people. I always had the idea of making my own forum, and shape it to my likings, didn’t do it before, because it was far from me how easy it was. It became easy when I finally met CK, and having the time while recovering from my surgery, just pushed it..
I am happy now, with what I have and what I have achieved, and in the end, Brian, why would I build on something I did not own?? Why would I? what for? To satisfy peoples questions?
And as return get smarmy remarks and offensive posts? What for? What’s in it for me? Nothing was, apart form the friends I made here, my participation had faded..I ran out of stuff to say that would make people happy..I felt like I was here only to feed the thirst of a few members in sailing tips and techniques..
I felt I was only welcome as long as I was talking about boats and answering questions…it got tiresome after a while.
Add to that, (and this is only my personal opinion), the fact that then the posts and threads that were showing up, had little interest or value to me, (even if was answering and writing), it got un-interesting.
What was I to do?? Answer 1000 times how to anchor, or that an Opti is not good for Blue water passages, and doing that while smiling, not offending the Old Shoers, or not being able to carry my sort of humor without having some idiot get offended at me because he did not understand me?
And I would have to answer politely and according to what some new members believed was the correct way of doing it, under the idea that if I didn’t I was wrong and old school and a bully and so on??
Then there was the attack on the AFOC's..when it was the AFOC's that kept this place running..as a founder of the AFOC community, that offended me..so more reasons to leave.
No, not me, not for me..I saw it all, and thought it was time to move along.
Sailnet, (and this is only my opinion), was slowly decaying into something weird, that I did not feel comfortable with, some members here even had agendas in shaping it to their liking..and what they had envisioned clashed with what we had built or shaped it into. I am not a belligerent person, so I went my way..
It got to a point where the simple presence of some members here, would make me turn the damn thing off..I had so many people on ignore, it got stupid..but truth is, some here had writing styles, techniques and philosophies that I didn't agree to, made me mad, and not wanting to be here or read their stuff...this is now their playground..nothing wrong with it, I just can't co-exist with them..BUT it is my fault, not theirs..I am the one uncomfortable, so I went
Just like in the jungle, once a Lion gets older, and he did his job, the new lions come along, kick the old lion away, and shape the jungle to their liking..so I retired from it, with dignity. I am now in my lion nursing home, where everyone is welcome..
What I can't tolerate is "new lions" not respecting the old lions, not because they are old here, but because they contributed so much to this site, even before the new lions arrived, and added so much, that the lack of respect from the new lions or their offensive behavior was something I totally hated and could not stand, and it hurt me to see..if the new lion contributes and is part of the society in a positive manner it is accepted, naturally..if he has nothing to add, and just incites anger and confusion...I can't understand it and can't respect that...some did just that...they pissed off the old lions only because...for the heck of it...when they, themselves had nothing to add to the community, and were left alone, in the name of politically correctness..that is what I saw
I know the new generation will shape SN to their liking, and that Sailnet will be prosperous and perfect form them… and maybe one day, I will read it and will actually have something to add..
I feel now, I have little to add, sincerely, there are hundreds of better sailors here than I am, that can answer and reply and live along..it’s their turn now..
So, here I am, still happy, doing it the way I want how I want as I want, and I am happy, Brian..and if being happy means not writing at Sailnet, so be it..no hard feelings, not offenses, I own a forum, and am far from competing with SN, besides we have different audiences and agendas..so please don’t think I am fighting SN or anything like that..
I just wasn’t happy, and moved along, that is all, no hate, no bad feelings nothing..honest to God. And my friends and pals, know where I am if they want to talk to me, right?
But being a moderator now in my own yard, against my will, I fully understand your position, Brian, it is not easy to please everyone, and there will always be idiots, some just don't really undesrtand when they are being idiots...I fully understand you, man
You have new Lions in the yard now Brian, treat them well,they will treat you accordingly, it is after all their turn, but young lions, remember, your day will come too…and that…we call LIFE..
Alex, your true friend
(still the best Portuguese sailor that ever sailed these waters!!)
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