Fight Club____for Sailors

[Dewey Benson]

Originally Posted by Surfesq

Why not just cut the monkey out of the loop and use Yachtworld. "What a wonderful modern age we live in." (Capt. Aubrey). You can shop online by size, model or region.

Remember, the glorified car salesman will always steer you towards the more expensive choice because he works on commission.

Not all brokers are glorified car salesmen. those are the guy's he's had experience with. Yachtworld is fine I agree, but when you deal with the brokers who list the boat you deal with the same variables as you do when cold calling a buyers advocate broker. Like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get. Until you explore the possibilities (bite into them).

On the search for my current vessel,I found the vessels I wanted to offer on, there were more than five (one at a time of course) I always negotiate in good faith (honesty is the best policy, trite but oh so true). I made the offers through a broker that I knew was: straight, intellegent, and whom I knew could be a buffer for my style of negotiation without torpedoing the deal. I had negotiated against this gentelman a half dozen times and knew how he would handle my requests and the vagaries of the opposing broker. I could have done it for myself but in using this buffer zone and his insight combined with mine I saved several thousand dollars

My situation is unique as I have had way more experience with all types of vessels than most, and that I was very plugged in to the ocean community ten years ago. But with common sense and persistance. one can find a broker who can save you Money, time, and grief.

It is business, but the business man who can see beyound short term profit can realize much more in the long run. Honesty is always the best policy.

Dewey

[drewdunnrespect2006]

[QUOTE=Surfesq]Drew: An Englishman who prefers Jack Daniels. Don't see that everyday! I am a Jim Beam man myself.

well in reply to your quote that you dont see an english man who prefers jacky d well what a will say is come to the north east of england and you will find a **** load but any ways whats with the rules of fight club ok i agrre with them but what are they for.

and question for you

the blue box hunter is 21 one foot corrbee slooth keel boat what do you suggest i up grade to prefrebbly a bitter bigger in size and also under 20 grand

rock on dude have a good one

[sailingdog]

Originally Posted by Dewey Benson

It is business, but the business man who can see beyound short term profit can realize much more in the long run. Honesty is always the best policy.

Dewey

Very true but quite a high percentage aren't in it for the long haul and are just interested in making a quick buck.

[Sonofasonofasailor]

Originally Posted by Surfesq

Sonofa: That nickname just makes me chuckle everytime I type it.

Thats because you only type part of it...there's more to it, and its not what you're implying.

Originally Posted by Surfesq

Why not just cut the monkey out of the loop and use Yachtworld. "What a wonderful modern age we live in." (Capt. Aubrey). You can shop online by size, model or region. Then look at the boats that catch your interest. Remember, the glorified car salesman will always steer you towards the more expensive choice because he works on commission. Granted, some can be very knowledgeable. But its business.
Ultimately, you are going to rely on the Survey anyway.

You just suggested that I use a broker 2 pages ago - are you drunk?

Yeah, I'm a DIY kind of guy so I'm really only using them for my benefit. If they don't listen I move on. One thing to remember when buying: It is your money, you call the shots!!! If somebody wants your money then they get it on your terms. Doesn't matter if its boats, mortgages, cars, houses or a candy bar. Brokers, salesmen, representatives, associates...call them what you like but there job is to part you from as much of your money as they can so its imperetive that you protect yourself - 'cuz nobody else is going to.

[sailingdog]

Originally Posted by Sonofasonofasailor

One thing to remember when buying: It is your money, you call the shots!!! If somebody wants your money then they get it on your terms. Doesn't matter if its boats, mortgages, cars, houses or a candy bar. Brokers, salesmen, representatives, associates...call them what you like but there job is to part you from as much of your money as they can so its imperetive that you protect yourself - 'cuz nobody else is going to.

Well said.

[CharlieCobra]

Morning folks. I inspected the rigging and found nothing amiss. I do need to replace the slotted shroud adjusters with turnbuckles though. I can get a finer tune that way.

[Surfesq]

Sonofa: I reserve the right to completely contradict myself. lol.

I have only purchased from brokers I have never used a broker to find me a boat. It's a lot like Buyer-Brokers for home buyers. Ultimately, they steer you to the properties they are listing. And guess what happens if it is their listing? Their fiduciary duty lies with the seller not you. So they have an obligation to blow smoke up your ass on behalf of the seller.

Again, that is not to say that there are not a few reputable Brokers out there who are honest and look out for their customers. But if the reputable Brokers operate under the same set of fiduciary rules.

[Surfesq]

By the way, no takers on the Irish Car Bomb?

[sailingdog]

Originally Posted by Surfesq

Sonofa: I reserve the right to completely contradict myself. lol.

I have only purchased from brokers I have never used a broker to find me a boat. It's a lot like Buyer-Brokers for home buyers. Ultimately, they steer you to the properties they are listing. And guess what happens if it is their listing? Their fiduciary duty lies with the seller not you. So they have an obligation to blow smoke up your ass on behalf of the seller.

Again, that is not to say that there are not a few reputable Brokers out there who are honest and look out for their customers. But if the reputable Brokers operate under the same set of fiduciary rules.

There are reputable buyer-brokers that will represent the buyer, and not the seller. I used one of these for the house I bought back in 1997, and can say that they can and do work, provided you get an actual buyer's broker. I bet the same is true of the boat industry.

[Surfesq]

Big Dog: With all due respect you are incorrect on this issue. If a buyer-broker represents both parties, (which is often the case) the fiduciary duty lies with the seller. That's the law Dude and it is standard language in any buyer-broker agreement. Sorry you need to stop sampling the Irish Car Bombs on an empty stomach.