Global Warming Debate

[RAGNAR]

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[RAGNAR]

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[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by RAGNAR

Soros, to his credit, I guess, has written rather extensively on his beliefs. He's inline with the rather common idea that the way to assure that no person or group rises to assert itself is to use Gov frameworks to "balance" ever-clashing, opposing individuals, viewpoints, groups, etc.

This POV rejects crucial fundamentals, replacing them with all kinds of horrors. The worse implication inherent in this POV is the notion that Man can't analyze a given issue well enough to reach either all or even key truths of the issue at hand; even if he could, Man would do everything in his power to evade these truths to assert his evil, "base-instincts." He has no freewill, no tools of cognition, no way to control his need to dominate, exert force, destroy, etc, and Reality is such that even if he had such abilities, they couldn't be exercised.

So let me see if I get this correctly - and putting it within the frame work of this thread, i.e. Global Warming.

When I say the issue requires a balanced study, you reject that and accept the IPCC report as irrefutable truth - and accept no other viewpoint as valid?

Or you completely refute the IPCC report because GW isn't happening at all, to any degree and thus shouldn't even be looked at and Global Climate doesn't even need to be studied because we already know everything there is to know about it. There is in fact no middle ground on any issue at all because you KNOW the right answers for all things already and there can be no new knowledge?

Funny, you equate me with Soros when in fact I'm quite the opposite. I believe it is people like me that keep governments or other groups from imposing their one sided unbalanced ideas and rules on others. I would think that quiet clear based on the body of my postings here on SailNet. Yet somehow you and you alone gain the opposite opinion.

Funnier still, I see you as more 'Soros like' (based on your explanation of what that might mean) than anyone I know because you are so certain that your way is not only the right way, but is the natural way if only us poor uneducated folks would listen.

Life is indeed funny ain't it.

[RAGNAR]

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[chucklesR]

Dude you have way to much time on your hands.
You don't equate me to Soro's but then say I follow his point of view despite the truth of the matter.

I do not and have not ever
"embraced a POV that makes a cognitive tool out of psychologizing (it that even a word?) and worrying about the other sides self perceptions"

I could care less about perceptions, self or other. I grow weary of you crying foul when you think I 'presume' to know you - yet you presume freely and obviously falsely about me.


I remind you Ragnar that the beginning of all of our discourses is you posting a completely one sided, easily proven wrong 'factoid' as established by one of your favorite talking heads.
At which point I do ten seconds of research and show the falsity of your post - then you go off on some semi coherent rant about my POV and your presumptions on how and why man is etc.

I state facts and truths that you conveniently or purposely avoid. I do not deal in perceptions or hyperbole or name calling or defining someone elses POV.

Stick to the damn topic, I know it's hard to do when you are so effectively proven wrong in your truths, but try, do try.
Switching off to personal attacks based on incorrect assumptions doesn't become you.

I'm growing rather weary of you putting your motives on me and presumptions on me. Find someone else to pin your tags on.

[sailaway21]

A well written post, Rag's.

The words compromise and moderate can be dangerous. For example, what was the compromise or moderate position on slavery?

[chucklesR]

Precisely Sway, Rag's would have ya'll believe that I think we should seek balance on everything irregardless of the facts and truth.
My argument is that he would have posted a link saying without slavery the south would fall to which I would post a link saying that blacks are human.
Then he'd rail on me for posting crap about perceptions and opinions.

You personally know that based on the dem vs reps post on that topic.

Apples and oranges, I don't think so.

[PBzeer]

A case of bad science, leading to bad decisions. The "consensus" being far different from the fact.

Series of blunders turned the plastic bag into global villain - Times Online

[chucklesR]

The fact being they don't have a fact to stand on.

[PBzeer]

You, in fact, have the fact, quite factually.