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Yam...Those were good answers about 4 years ago.
The hockey stick is a complete fabrication. "Even Geophysical Research Letters, an eminent scientific journal, now acknowledges a serious problem with the prevailing climate reconstruction by Mann and his colleagues."
The ice core data shows CO2 rising 800 years AFTER the onset of warming
The greenhouse effect predicted by the models...does not predict our reality where there has been no rise in temperature for nearly a decade now.
The measurement systems for the US land based NASA/GISS have been subverted with 80% of the measuring stations producing greater than 2 degree errors and further manipulation of the data by head honcho Hansen as detailed elsewhere in this thread. The satellite data show no such warming.
Humans contribute only 3-4% of the naturally released carbon dioxide in the atmosphere each year...and as CO2 increases...its' effect is LESS.
etc. etc. etc.
Despite a short term run-up in temps up until 1998 or so....it is no longer clear that ANY warming is taking place...let alone man-made. And there would be nothing wrong with a little warming and more CO2. It is good for plants and crops...it is better for humans.
The whole warming movement is a proxy for the greenies to cut pollution by scaring the hell out of people. They should focus on real pollution and they might get some allies if they didn't lie about stuff.
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Re global warming, it is a hoax to provide a 'plausible rationale' to get us the sheeple into paying an international tax, the carbon tax. To get a global central bank as part of their planned/forming global monopoly government they need a global tax, so voila.
There have been many warming and cooling cycles in Earth's history, this is fact, and long before humans were burning fossil fuels. The governor of this cycle seems to be solar flare activity. I can find and post the link to a good article on this for any who are interested.
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Plumbing requires pipes souljour. Making pipes requires smokestacks of one sort or the other, even if they are only kilns. Idyllic harmony with nature is a nice vision, but it will never be an actual reality.
While mankind certainly has the ability to "pollute" less, as with any issue of livability, there is the commensurate trade off between differing goals. And while there has been no lack of "research" in regards to pollution, it has been mostly non-existent on the other side of the coin.
No one wants to pollute, or contribute to changes in the natural way of things. To posit otherwise, is hyperbole of the worst sort. What should be studied more thoroughly, is where the balance lies between the two goals. Blithely spouting pollution is bad, accomplishes nothing.
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All I know is that stopping as much pollution as we can is a good idea. When we can create jobs in doing so (we can if the gov.t gives incentives)then that is good...with no incentives then companies won't do it as much as needs to be done... whenwe get cleaner air and water we are less sick...more productivity and less health costs which save the Govt..i.e. you and I ostensibly...new tech that finds a way to convert waste creates demand for these technologies...its about having a global view to an extent... Mayberry is gone...it's about a wary optimism instead of wary pessimism...... it involves knowledge we have gained and new responsibilities as global citizenry...
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All I know is that stopping as much pollution as we can is a good idea. When we can create jobs in doing so (we can if the gov.t gives incentives)then that is good...with no incentives then companies won't do it as much as needs to be done... whenwe get cleaner air and water we are less sick...more productivity and less health costs which save the Govt..i.e. you and I ostensibly...new tech that finds a way to convert waste creates demand for these technologies...its about having a global view to an extent... Mayberry is gone...it's about a wary optimism instead of wary pessimism...... it involves knowledge we have gained and new responsibilities as global citizenry...
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It is more of a population issue really.
X pounds of **** per person times X number of persons.
Reduce X number of persons for a given reduction in X pounds of ****.
A new virus is in order = no discrimination.
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Observing the interrelation of factors that make up a whole doesn't seem to be a strong suit for you souljour. For instance, have you even contemplated the geopolitical impact of unilateral action along the lines you seek? The major polluters of the world are not going to cease, merely because we do. The ramifications to the US economy alone could easily put us in third world status, while those who push on, grow their economies as our's shrinks. That's a reality, that has to be dealt with.
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Tell it to China and India...our environment IS getting cleaner...even faster than Europe...we still have work to do and I support it but once again...can you take the pollution discussion to another thread. It does not belong here.
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Made my point cam. I'm done with it.
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It is more of a population issue really.
X pounds of **** per person times X number of persons.
Reduce X number of persons for a given reduction in X pounds of ****.
A new virus is in order = no discrimination.
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Don't need a virus; we abort 3700 kids per day...1.3 million per year.
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Sorry Cam..did manage to get off course...I really should have started a new thread on pollution..
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