Global Warming Debate

[jrd22]

Xort- exactly. I think the "spread the costs around" plan will apply to everyone, right, left, doesn't matter. We are all going to be paying for something that doesn't exist.

[PBzeer]

Silly people, it's got nothing to do with reality, it's all about appearances. They've decided there is a crisis, and by god, they're gonna do something about it. Doesn't matter if the crisis is real or not, or whether what they do would make a difference if it was real. THEY HAVE ACTED.

The best part, for the greenies, if the "crisis" isn't real and they still get all the laws, rules and regulations they want, then they can say they stopped it. Nothing like averting a crisis that doesn't exist to make you seem like a savior.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

well it all doesnt matter, Obama will sign up to the ICC, agree the Law of teh Sea, introduce a "green" agenda, Coal industry already fu&ked ( as he said). Loks like its all over for you "right wing guys". I;d move to venezula if I was you gas is cheap there

Why would us right wing guys move to an even more left wing country, in Venezuela, than we currently inhabit?

I agree with the Beezer, you're going to find that Obama's commitment to some of these issues is about as durable as his commitment to his former pastor. He's already dissed the left in his appointments and, I think you'll find, that "more study is needed" on climate change, mostly due to our current economic troubles. No one really believes that the green movement is going to actually create jobs.

[jheldatksuedu]

When you take all (not all, but lots, we still have a lot left) the carbon that has been stored in the ground for eons and release it into the atmosphere in the last hundred years surely you can expect it might have some effect. When you cut down half of the green plants on earth and pave over much of the grass again you might assume it might have an effect. Both of these have increased the carbon dioxide in the air. The burning of fossil fuels combines the carbon with the oxygen, the process of burning and energy release. This carbon dioxide in small doses would be absorbed by the plant life and returned to the earth as decaying plants. In eons it would once again be turned into fossil fuels. Modern lifestyles huge demands for power has many times overwhelmed the green plants ability to absorb this C02. Cutting down the forrest and paving the grassland has also reduced this process. The result too much C02 in the air. It traps the suns heat and causes global warming.

China is now the largest producer of C02, USA is not far behind, India is catching up quickly. The snow caps have reduced 40% in the last 80 years, the process is accelerating. The North pole ice cap is melting. The northwest passage now regularly stays open for 3 months (that's not a good thing for the earth, but I now plan to use that route to go from the Atlantic to the Pacific in my circumnavigation.) Snow melt from glaciers will stop producing water supplies for many countries when the snow is gone.

World war 3 will most likely happen between these superpowers when life is threatened due to this problem. When people can no longer survive as they are accustomed too, they will fight for what they need. Rising sea levels are predicted to swamp much of Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. That is just in the US many other countries also have low lying heavily populated areas like this. What do you think those residents are going to feel like doing when they loose their property? It is expected to happen in 30 years instead of 80, but whose counting. Luckily we recently found moisture on Mars, maybe some of the human race can survive.

The excess C02 is also combining with the sea water to create carbonic acid, this is creating areas of the ocean that plankton can't survive, that is the food source for many of the higher forms of life. This process helps creates the dead zones in the ocean that we hear about. When we kill the oceans ability to produce fish people go hungry.

We hear about more fires in California, the slight increase in temperature, dries the normally very dry tinder box even more so that fires burn longer, bigger and more fiercely, rains are fewer and farther between.

It makes me wonder if I really do want to have children and bring them into this mess we as a society are creating. Much of these facts can be found in a program on the "frontline" public TV website called "Heat"

Jon

[xort]

Facts? TV? I about choked when I read that line. Do you really think they offered an objective view? Oh right, it's PBS Frontline. I should have known better.

[sailaway21]

jheld,
Welcome to the debate. You certainly seem concerned about this matter. I'd be very interested in your response to the below commentary published in the San Francisco Chronicle. RealClearPolitics - Articles - When the Warmest in History Isn't

Either the author has her facts wrong or PBS does. Perhaps you could help me out with the discrepancies between the two. Thank you in advance.

[camaraderie]

Lets just take one of your facts at a time Jon.
The snow caps have reduced 40% in the last 80 years, the process is accelerating.

Which snowcaps (what is a snowcap anyway?) and where and what scientific evidence can you cite that global warming is the underlying cause for this revelation?

By the way...the people that tried the NW passage this year got stuck. Seems like they were a bit optimistic...just like the guys who were gonna paddle to the north pole in their kayaks.
At the moment the Arctic sea ice is very close to it's long term average and about a million square kilometers bigger than last year at this time, the polar bears are just fine and if you plan to circumnavigate that way, I'd suggest an ice boat rather than something with a keel.
In case you would like some proof. Here it is from the U of Illinois Cryosphere center

[xort]

cam
jweld has his own set of 'facts' from the TV. Don't confuse him with real data.

[goboatingnow]

Why would us right wing guys move to an even more left wing country, in Venezuela

I was being facetious......

[PBzeer]

And for the latest bit of nonsense: Lawyers call for international court for the environment - Telegraph