Global Warming Debate

[ssneade]

the only man made global warming i see is from all the hot air algore and his cronies are spewing forth that's causing the temps around dc to rise. i think this can be scientifically proven............

[erps]

Regarding the predictions of rapid sea level rise:



Sea level was higher 1000 years ago and it looks like it's become pretty stable lately.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=61

[ssneade]

idunno, lake lanier has risen fifteen feet since december twenty eighth of last year. i think there should be cause for alarm................

[erps]

Mark W. Hendrickson : A Closer Look at Climate Change - Townhall.com

IPCC press releases have warned about increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in Earth’s atmosphere, yet Dr. Vincent Gray, a member of the IPCC’s expert reviewers’ panel asserts, “There is no relationship between warming and [the] level of gases in the atmosphere.”

A 2001 IPCC report presented 245 potential scenarios. The media publicity that followed focused on the most extreme scenario, prompting the report’s lead author, atmospheric scientist Dr. John Christy, to rebuke media sensationalism and affirm, “The world is in much better shape than this doomsday scenario paints … the worst-case scenario [is] not going to happen.”

Also, “consensus” is a political phenomenon, a compromise, whereas scientific truth is not subject to obtaining a political majority. (Actually, 31,000 scientists have signed a petition protesting the “consensus” that human activity is dangerously altering the Earth’s climate. Consider that against the 2,500 scientists cited by IPCC—many of whom publicly refute IPCC’s press releases.)

[erps]

Oysters are disappearing from the Washington Coast. They first suspected a bacteria. Now they're starting to think it might be a change in the ocean with CO2 to blame.

Now, as the oyster industry heads into the fifth summer of its most unnerving crisis in decades, scientists are pondering a disturbing theory. They suspect water that rises from deep in the Pacific Ocean — icy seawater that surges into Willapa Bay and gets pumped into seaside hatcheries — may be corrosive enough to kill baby oysters

Oysters In Deep Trouble - US News and World Report

[therapy23]

Originally Posted by erps

Oysters In Deep Trouble - US News and World Report

Climate modelers predicted greenhouse gases would make marine waters more acidic by century's end. They expected to notice it first in deep water, some of which hasn't circulated to the surface in 1,500 years and has therefore accumulated more atmospheric carbon dioxide. And deep waters already run higher in carbon dioxide because dying plants, animals and fish sink and decay.

Let me see..........My CO2 went down to the water that has not come up for 1500 years.........I don't get it. How does CO2 transfer to the water and what is the pathway once it is dissolved? Does it sink?

[camaraderie]

Of course other explanations may exist since NO proof has been offered for CO2 acidification.

Dissident Voice : The Weeds of Willapa Bay

"....
The WSDA believes it is in Cohen’s interest to rid the bay of the weed, as the $16 million oyster industry relies on ample, healthy habitat for productive harvests. In the first round of spraying the WSDA used Rodeo, a glyphosate based herbicide manufactured by Monsanto. The Sierra Club of Canada states of Monsanto’s plant poison, “[G]lyphosate has been linked to respiratory problems, birth defects, miscarriage, and cancer, and has also been shown to be toxic to fish and persistent in the soil.”
Now the marshes around Willapa Bay are being sprayed with imazapyr, a purportedly less poisonous substance than glyphosate. Nonetheless the EPA still believes imazapyr may be slightly toxic to fish and aquatic vertebrae."

And check out this oysterman's comments on the article cited above:
I am the oysterman for the moby dick and have tide flats of my own.
I would like to point out that we grow our oysters in the spartina with great results and we rely on the natuaral catch for our oysters.
The chems that they are using in the bay are toxic to all natural spat ,salmon and ducks .We have the info on this and we also have spent thousands on our own lab tests with the results that come back we in goodfaith can not sell our oysters. Yet all other companies in the bay do sell theres and there oysters are worse because ours are caontaminated from drift and all the other companies spray there land directly.recently taylor shell fish was dropped as a heritage food supplier because of there pesticide practices and there will be more the lies that led to the posioning of our bay will be answered for

Note also that all of this was written ove TWO years ago after 4-5 yyears of pesticide treatments to the Spartina on the bay.
Now...all of a sudden it is global warming to blame...when none has been measured and ocean temperatures have actually declined a little bit.

[erps]

Thanks for the additional info. I'm not preaching guys, I'm just passing along an article that I read.

[therapy23]

No problem Puddin'.

It is just so amazing that the "global warming" bucket is so large these days.

Science is the new religion and like the last major ones it attempts to explain every unknown to it's followers, depending on which "bible" one reads.

[lbdavis]

Originally Posted by therapy23

Science is the new religion and like the last major ones it attempts to explain every unknown to it's followers, depending on which "bible" one reads.

Agreed. Science has taken the place of religion for many.

One important distinction, IMHO, is that science (certainly any credible scientist) does nor profess itself (themselves) as Truth.

To the scientific thinker, truths (small "t" here) must always be questioned and unknowns are just that, unknown.

Worthy of a reminder, many of the greatest scientistific minds were/are very religious people as all of you know. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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