Global Warming Debate

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[cardiacpaul]

I suggest that you do "let it in" for obvious reasons. Your comments regarding this show your shallow callous personal opinions, and I am offended.

My grandparents and MY relatives... along with 6 million others were not, are not, and never will be "irrelevant".

You have gained nothing but my ignore button.
Presto, to me, you are now irrelevant.

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[sailingdog]

Several of my friends had blue tattoos on their forearms from a certain unpleasantness in Europe about sixty years ago. Another friend of mine is Hmong, and is in this country under our asylum policy. Relatives of friends of mine have died in Israel, Lebanon and Ireland. A co-worker was killed in the minor unpleasantness in the former Yugoslavia, which was based on differences in religion.

If you're going to limit persecution to the "Western world" it still is pretty easy to find. Ireland is in the Western world.

I don't see how mentioning that religion has caused more deaths than almost everything else combined is a "cheap shot"... when it is well supported by the historical data. The Holocaust was primarily based on one's religion... the killings in the former Yugoslavia, in Lebanon, Israel, Ireland, Iraq, Iran, and many other places are primarily due to religious differences.

[poopdeckpappy]

Did anyone watch Glenn Beck last night on CNN Headline News, I don't watch CNN, but I did last night thinking I was going to see more " the sky is falling " BS, boy, was I surprised, it was a 60 minute piece on the otherside of the GW scare and it was very interesting to hear from scientist who don't adhear to the man made global warming hype, also, it was interesting to hear just how many scientist have left the IPPC because they didn't like the idea of having to change their findings because it didn't fit the IPPC global warming senario.

This is a long read but, here's the transcript from last nights show

CNN.com - Transcripts

[Valiente]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Name a single religous order that has persecuted anyone or any group in western civilization. .

Actually, my mother used to have stones aimed at her Catholic head here in Toronto on "Orangeman's Day", July 12. That was back in the '40s.

The Vatican's silence has been seen as a form of collaboration with Fascism that deepened the horror of the Jewish Holocaust. That was also in the '40s.

The Irish have already been mentioned.

I personally saw a great deal of prejudice against Muslims in France. That was in the '80s.

I know that Wiccans have lost jobs, endured property damage and have had children seized after being deemed "unfit" due to their religious beliefs. That was...oh, wait, it's current events.

If your deity considered his/her/its adherents "special" or "correct", then it follows that others must be less than special and manifestly incorrect. It's a short step from pity to hatred either way.

[sailaway21]

CP,
I am brought up short. When I originally started to post I meant to say, 'other than the Jews', who, from millenia, seem to have the market cornered regards persecution.

The bottom line is still that there are really no people undergoing religon originated persecution in the western world today. The Dog and others prefer to set up straw men, in pursuit of a generally anti-religous point. we are so tolerant of religion, other than christianity and judaism, that we are now allowing the wiccan symbol, on headstones in military cemetaries. I suspect that the same people fixated on religion as a persecutor probably feel that the current unpleasantness with Islam is nothing we can't work out with a little face time. I've hijacked this thread egregiously, this will be my last off thread post. I beg those with feelings of religous and faith persecution to start a new thread, I'm sure God is reading.

[sailaway21]

Pappy,
Thanks for the transcript. I've caught Beck only a couple of times; he seems to be pretty good. Somewhere in the nineties I stopped watching the ClintonNewsNetwork, maybe it's time to reconsider.

[sailingdog]

Sailaway-

You're making the erroneous assumption that I am anti-religion... I am not. I just prefer to make sure that my freedom to practice whatever relgious beliefs is not a point for others to persecute me for and that many have died in the name of religion. Although I seriously doubt that their interpretations of their religion to be used as a justification for persecution and murder would be considered the most accurate of interpretations.

Given the religious background of my family, where there is a Catholic, an Episcopalian, a Zen Buddhist, a Methodist and practicing Quaker among them, not counting myself... I can't really see religious tolerance as being anything but necessary.