Global Warming Debate

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by JohnRPollard

For anyone interested in this debate, I just want to remind folks that this is not the "Dems v. Repubs", the "Market Crash", or the "Big Oil" thread. My suggestion to everyone -- regardless of which side of the debate you fall on -- is: Stick to the presentation and discussion of hard data and research that refutes the positions that others are presenting or that supports your understanding of Climate Change.

We don't want too many political posts in the market crash thread either.

[craigimass]

Originally Posted by ssneade

do trolls wet their beds? or is that sweat from global warming.

danged liberal bed wetter.

Well, my liberal parents taught me many things that, obviously, those redneck beatings didn't show you.

One is that people who have nothing better to say - talk like you.

The second you may have heard, but never took to heart - "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me - nah, nah, nah, nah, nah".

Hey, lay it on. Cam needs all the help he can get!

Always remember, when you can't make your point in a debate, just jump up and down. It's pretty funny!

[camaraderie]

Originally Posted by JohnRPollard

Looking back over some of the recent postings, this thread seems to be getting derailed by too much politics. Camaraderie's most recent posts were way overboard, but were obviously intended to make that point plainly. It would be a shame if things kept going in that direction.

JRP...with respect...I asked Craig to cut out the political crap on this thread twice and was told "no way". I then reported the thread to you mods and asked that off topic posts be moved to political forums or deleted. I waited 24 hours and got no response from any mod. Then... I started posting global warming stuff in political threads and political stuff here to make a rather obvious point...the point being that even in off topic, there are commonly understood rules that make sense and need to be enforced by the mods. I am perfectly willing to delete ALL my off topic posts or have you delete them IF you are gonna start enforcing some basic courtesies around here and there is only ONE person who is screwing things up around here and you know exactly who it is and need to deal with him. BTW...that does not mean I want you to shut him up. Just keep him the hell on topic and kill his tripe when it appears in threads where it does not belong.

Failing that...I will continue to follow the same rules that apply to him.

[craigimass]

Cam, you are showing disrespect to the owners of the site and the mods.

Being off-topic means just that. Off-topic. Not on the usual topic. I carefully read the rules for off-topic - especially these:
"If you do not like it, steer clear of it"
"For those that are thin skinned or easily offended, you should steer clear of the Off Topic Forum"
And, of course, the one that you and some others have paid absolutely no attention to:
"please retain some level of civility"

You cannot have a 200 page conversation about Global Warming, which includes pages about Mexican food, and then complain about me discussing ENERGY - which is 100% related to the Global Warming topic.

And, you cannot put up with dozens of post making fun of GW "pros", and then say no politics are involved.

Really, what you are saying is that you only want YOUR politics to be represented.

If it is your blog, you have that right. However, it is not presented as that.

Some of the "cons" that hang here, including perhaps you, have already chased LOTS of reasonable people away (some have PMed me) - and that's fine. You can bully around the sandbox and, in the end, I'm certainly not going to hang out where openness and acceptance of others opinion is not welcomed.

At the same time, acting like my opinion is not mainstream is just ridiculous. The last election showed us that people care about such things as the environment that we leave to our children. Tens of millions of people in this country CARE about reducing pollution, climate change and our dependence on foreign energy sources. You probably do too, if you actually take the time to think about it.

Unlike you, I respect the house I am visiting. I do not engage in venomous personal attacks, do not tell "daddy" on you, nor break the rules (as I understand them).

I am in no way a troll. Doing stuff like you do - like posting BS for pages and pages - that is being a troll. Or worse.

In short, I will continue to follow the rules and if I don't like it, I will steer clear of it. I hope you can do the same and not feel as if you have to control everything you touch.

Peace.

[camaraderie]

Off Topic is a SECTION...not a thread. This is the GLOBAL WARMING thread. STAY on TOPIC...Pollution is not warming...Energy is not warming...Environmentalism is not warming...Politics is not warming UNLESS we are discussing specific political anti-warming proposals like cap and trade.
YOU are ruining this thread by bringing in other topics that have NOTHING to do with global warming. I repeat...start your own pollution, energy and politics threads..THIS one is about warming.


BTW...I WAS a mod here for two years and I WROTE the rules for off topic which were then approved by the other mods and management....so when I quote them and ask for them to be enforced...I know what the intent was and don't need any "respect" lectures from the likes of you.
John/CD/TDW/Jeff and I are all friends and we disagree from time to time but still enjoy each others respect.

You get the amount of respect here that your own actions deserve. Too bad about that.

[sailaway21]

Heck, Craig! I might even start treatin' you decent if you stayed on topic. (g)

[craigimass]

Global warming IS about energy.
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the 20th century."

Fossil fuel burning, global warming and deforestation (see above) are DEFINITELY about environmentalism.

And everything you do, from the minute you wake up in the morning is politics!

I rest my case, Justice Thomas.
:-)

[therapy23]

Originally Posted by craigimass

Global warming IS about energy.
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the 20th century."

Fossil fuel burning, global warming and deforestation (see above) are DEFINITELY about environmentalism.

And everything you do, from the minute you wake up in the morning is politics!

I rest my case, Justice Thomas.
:-)

Nice to return to the topic for the most part but you will find that in more than a few of the posts here that your above quote from the IPCC is simply incorrect. There are too many sources out there now that challenge those sweeping statements. There is no proving definitive correlation for any of it. One problem is that the IPCC's "conclusions" are not written nor made up of the results of science, scientists nor their research, although it is presented that way. If it was not then no one would believe it. If you take the time to research what many of the people the IPCC refers to and relies on and quotes (misquotes) you will find they are not in agreement with what the IPPC says.

[craigimass]

Cam, have you actually read this thread?
Wow, starting on the first page, people discussed the politics of such "conspiracies" as GW. Same with environmentalism....for instance:

"a decrease in the production of 'greenhouse' gases is not a bad thing. Cleaner air, more efficient energy, less focus on fuel supply, etc. Even to a complete naysayer to science, the benefits are not all that bad."
(hmm, that sounds like what I said)

"-- Say-what-is-necessary-to-assure-gov-funding
-- Say-what-is-necessary-to-assure-industrialists-fear-you, and supprot your next campaign/cause/crusade/nonprofit account.
-- The indirect threat in Congress to actually retaliate against Exxon and others for challenging this Platonic hypothesis."
(hmm, politics again, and only on the first page still)

"Global warming or not, we humans are having a serious (and negative) impact on the ecosystem - The pollution in the industrialised world does have a lasting and negative impact. 30, 40, 50 years ago how many people had allergies or asthma?...and today?"
(hmm, more environmentalism, and only page 2 of 190)

"You forgot the "devestation" that the North Slope oil fields would do to the Caribou herds. You know, the one's that tripled in size. That was more consensus."
(Ahh, PB getting in anti-environmentalism, but still environment,)

"Global Warming is a political scam, the hype in Paris was from political appointed work groups, not scientist
The whole scam is to create a level world economy controlled by the UN with the Green Group pulling the strings of the political marionettes"
(ahh, poopdeck is always good for some politics)

"The environmental branches of science would have us believe many things, many of them flat out wrong. A simple one. "Paper or plastic?""
(ah, sway probably posted 100x that much in ONE post.....)

"And who benefits from big government action? Well, for one, all those polar bear census-takers. I mean, where else are these people going to get a job? A guy comes down to the boat-yard looking for a job and is asked about previous employment. "Spent two years counting polar bears" "
(ahh, too many from SWAY).....can't post any more!

"We that grew up in farm land USA used DDT all the time before it was banded. Then Dow chemical came along with Chlordane (sp). If you want to see some strong stuff that was it. The ground bird populations have just started to come back in the last 10 years after Chlordane was banded."
(Wow, a large part of this thread in which CAM was involved, talked about DDT and other things that had nothing to do with GW - but MAYBE to do with....with....with...environmentalism?)

Lastly, might I point you to my first post on this thread:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/off-to...tml#post476579


Cam, let me quote a man who said more about your feigned disapproval of my "off-topic" topics---than I can.....

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”
-William F. Buckley, Jr.

I promise I will forget you said and did all that stuff. I'm nice that way.

[craigimass]

Originally Posted by therapy23

If you take the time to research what many of the people the IPCC refers to and relies on and quotes (misquotes) you will find they are not in agreement with what the IPPC says.

I am not defending the IPPC in the post - merely quoting the fact that ENERGY USE is one of the main "alleged" causes of GW. So any discussion of the subject would include the "off-topic" points of:
Energy
Pollution
Politics (relates to both above)
Economics (relates to ALL above)
and more.....