Global Warming Debate

[Waymar83]

Global warming or not, we humans are having a serious (and negative) impact on the ecosystem. Whether you believe in 1,500 or 25,000 year cycles, the desertification caused by humans in places (that I've seen) like Haiti, the encroaching Sahel/Sahara, and the depletion of the Aral Sea in Russia, the depletion of the water table in the Western US, clear cutting of forests in Africa, the Amazon and Western Canada...to name a few, cannot be good....and may be irreversible. These are real...and have nothing to do with global warming in the short term.

The pollution in the industrialised world does have a lasting and negative impact. 30, 40, 50 years ago how many people had allergies or asthma?...and today?

If you believe in market forces, then true costs should be approapriately and fairly attributed. Not just for production but proper disposal and environmental impact. Then we would see a different type of car, of house, of cities, (maybe even different hull construction of sailboats?) I'm not concerned for myself as much as I am for my kids and eventual grandkids. Is'nt that the real issue?

As a kid our scout troup had a saying: "When you go into the woods, leave the place better than how you found it." I try and teach my kids the same values.

[pigslo]

This planet would be alot better off if half of you would just LEAVE.
pigslo

[denby]

Ragnar I applaud you, that was great. Climate is cyclical about every 1500 years. What people do not realise is the earth just came out of a minny ice age in the mid 1800's. And do to some large volcanos in the late 1800's which caused global cooling till the early 1900's the earth is slowly warming up. If our Canadian freind wached the history channel on the Vickings He would know there where plentiful grapes in New Foundland 1000 years ago, the Vickings called it New Vinland. Has anyone found grapes there lately. And England was a major producer of med quality wine For a few hundred years around 1000 years ago. Last year England finely produce a quality wine, first time in 900 years.When New Foundland produces a quality grape in the wild then I will say we are back to normal. How did the Vickings sail agross open waters in those small open boats,the north atlantic is calmer in warmer climate. There are people worried about a fool [Moose something] sailing a 32 ft boat from Deep River Conneticut to Maine along the coast because the waters are too rough. This hole global warming thing has to do with mony. Buy the way, the number one global warming gas is H2O [about 70 percent] not CO2, which is a very small percent about3. 94 percent of all global warming gases are natural, one good volcano will produce more than man was inhis hole history. Look it up at the epa.

Thanks again Ragnar I'm with you.
Dennis

[pigslo]

From the other global warming thread.
I remember in elementary school the weekly blast from the practice airraid horns. We were told to get under the desks or if we were outside get under the hedges. I am still resentful at what I look back on as the big people (the adults) taking a piece of my childhood away. I the 80's there was a guy saying the Japanese had pretty much already bought the U.S. from exports and t-bills and our economy would collapse within a year. Now the sky is falling again and I have to ask if once again some entity is not trying to take away what happiness and peace of mind I still have left. Be careful how much of yourself you give to Governments and Chicken Little types that have no conscience or soul in taking tangible and intangible things away from you.
pigslo
And the same thread.
Not intended to place blame as much as point out that it happens. There are "takers" all around you be they media, government, or do gooders with guilt complexes out to salve their own conscience by making you behave the way they think you should. I am sick and tired of it and I don't invest emotionally in the "end of civilization as we know it" of the week club.
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Yes those bombs were real but children did not need to carry that fear at the expense of their childhood. Always examine the agenda of those that seek to have you change your behavior.
pigslo

[denby]

pigslo, I remember in the 60's everyone was sounding the alarm about a new ice age that was just around the corner.

Dennis

[pigslo]

I am too disinterested in the lies to be apathetic.
pigslo

[Waymar83]

As an owner of real estate in Canada (and my boat ) I would love to spend more time Bar B Q ing and on the water as well as less money on heating in winter. Our wines in BC and Ontario are also getting better and better .

Unfortunately it also comes with bigger and bader hurricanes, longer droughts, unpredictable weather patterns that disrupt many countries agricultural production. This is no chicken little stuff:

[goose327]

LOL, I love this stuff. Talk to me AFTER you look at the climate cycles over the last 350,000,000 years. Good greif why do people always look at yesterday and call it the "norm"?

[T34C]

Did anyone else see the study released very recently that found that the average temperature was confirmed to be rising... ON MARS?? Unless that little rover has a big V8 I don't think that one was caused by us.
Hmmm....Could the sun maybe have something to do with the temperature????

[goose327]

Originally Posted by T34C

Did anyone else see the study released very recently that found that the average temperature was confirmed to be rising... ON MARS?? Unless that little rover has a big V8 I don't think that one was caused by us.
Hmmm....Could the sun maybe have something to do with the temperature????

ya think? LOL
Yeah I saw it too, but it just told me what I already knew. When the sun kicks up a big blast of plasma we get hit, mars gets hit, hell even poor little pluto the ex-planet gets hit.
As I said, look back 350 million years, up, down, up, down. Right now we're ALMOST(at least in celestial time) at an apex. We'll get hotter, then it's gonna get REAL cold again, it's just the way it works.