Global Warming Debate

[erps]

I've read several articles these past couple of years that indicate soot is having quite an impact on melting glaciers as well.

http://www.gcrio.org/OnLnDoc/pdf/black_soot.pdf

[poopdeckpappy]

We focus on and flipout over a time span that's no more than a blink of an eye

[JohnRPollard]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

We focus on and flipout over a time span that's no more than a blink of an eye

I tend to agree. And I'm always suspicious of photos taken at various intervals without regard for seasonal differences or climatological cycles. As well as any data without larger context.

But, then, in the back of my mind is a nagging voice reminding me how the fossil records suggest that a blink of an eye is about how long it took for the dinosaurs to go extinct.

[jackdale]

From the Idaho Statesman April 24, 2008 (not last week)

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose. The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing, and there is a high-enough risk that "true believers" like Al Gore are right that world economies need to wean themselves off fossil fuels

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There are cycles in climate and warming. My Viking ancestors settled in Greenland, when it really had some green spaces. But since the mid 18th century we have been adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere, thus exacerbating the cycles. As other countries industrialize, the emissions will rise.

From Source Watch

Patrick Moore is a former Greenpeace activist who has been a corporate consultant since at least 1991. He began working for the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, in 2006. The Coalition was organised and funded by the Nuclear Energy Institute, with help from the public relations firm, Hill and Knowlton that has a $8 million account with the nuclear industry.[1] In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he "exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes."

I actually must admit that I am leaning toward his views on nuclear energy.

[ssneade]

with all that extra acreage from the retreating glacier, there's more room to grow pot....

stick that in your pipe and smoke it....

[ssneade]

ahhh....

[jackdale]

This is a report from the US branch of the Nature Conservancy. I have several clients who are active in the Canadian branch, they are well-to-do Conservatives.

Source - The Nature Conservancy

What will temperatures be like in your state in 100 years? If current trends continue, chances are they’ll be much hotter than they are today — especially if you live in the American Midwest.

A new analysis of U.S. climate projections from The Nature Conservancy finds that temperatures in the worst-hit states could be up to 10 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than present-day levels by the year 2100.

Kansas, Nebraska and other Great Plains states would be the hardest-hit by climbing temperatures, according to the analysis. But temperatures everywhere could rise by 3 degrees Fahrenheit or more, meaning all of us would feel the heavy impacts of climate change:

* Hot summer temperatures could arrive three weeks earlier and last three weeks longer in the Northeast, with more days averaging above 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

* In the Northwest, higher temperatures could contribute to earlier spring snowmelt, increasing the risk of forest fires and summer drought.

* Water could become more and more scarce in the Southwest as temperatures climb and spring snowmelt declines.

* Rising sea levels and increased storm surges could threaten low-lying coastal areas in the Southeast.

“If current trends continue, the weather and landscapes of the future will be nearly unrecognizable compared to what we are used to,” says Jonathan Hoekstra, director of climate change for The Nature Conservancy.

And these changes would have significant impacts on people, nature and industries across the United States.

“If we don’t take strong action to confront the causes and consequences of climate change, the nation’s natural resources, economic stability and way of life will face serious threats in the coming years,” warns Hoekstra.

[Yamsailor]

You know I have been watching this post for a long time. At this point does it matter if people disagree on why global warming is occurring? The fact is it is happening. If it is not due to human beings then the debate ends--if global warming is due to human beings--the damage has already been done and there is nothing we can do about it--and the debate ends.

Maybe it is worth talking about things that human beings can actually have a positive affect?

Of course right now--I am not sure what that could be.

[scottyt]

well jack the funny thing about Patrick Moore, is green peace thru him out when he changed his views. basicly i think he said after many years of looking at the numbers nuke is best, ie it causes the least damage. i wish i could find the actual quote.

yamsailor, your right if its natural the discussion is over, but where the real problem comes in is. the people pushing green stuff have a vested future, both in money invested and jobs. they can not and will not drop it. if they do accept its natural they will still say we can help stop it, because their lively hood depends on it.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by scottyt

yamsailor, your right if its natural the discussion is over, but where the real problem comes in is. the people pushing green stuff have a vested future, both in money invested and jobs. they can not and will not drop it. if they do accept its natural they will still say we can help stop it, because their lively hood depends on it.

While nature does contribute - so do we. We cannot separate the two. They exacerbate each other. It is not an either / or situation, but more a want can we do - or not so.