Global Warming Debate

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

I can see it. And the wider angle makes it even more spooky because it's showing much more area that is toasty. Where is/was that thing?

PS - here's a visual to help the imagination-impaired and overly-skeptical...

Thanks for the visual. I believe both photos were taken in the summer. In winter the peaks would be snow covered.

It is the Athabaska Glacier - part of the Columbia Ice Fields. I have also been looking for the photos that show how the Ice Fields look from below. They used to come right down to the highway; they have retreated a couple of miles.

Jack

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by jackdale

T I have also been looking for the photos that show how the Ice Fields look from below. They used to come right down to the highway; they have retreated a couple of miles.

Jack

[Oxleyp]

We might have caused the quickening change but all the bacteria that survive will thank mankind. There are no bad guys... we are only doing what our genetic codes ask of us. Just like the buck that pisses on the tree, mankind must move forward, increase population and hope for the best.

[denby]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Interesting, but the mini ice age from around 1300 to 1850 caused many glaciers form. After 1850 the Earth started to warm up until Krakatoa erupted in August 1883 which cause world temperatures to decline back to the mini ice age range until the early 1920s. So the two photos do not convince me that there is global warming. Before 1300 Newfoundland had grapes, the Vikings called it Vinland do to the plentiful grapes they found there. So has anyone found any grapes in Newfoundland lately? Also Mars has warmed at about the same rate as Earth has, did we cause that or could it be the Sun causing the warming. Sorry but it's all just the religion of manbearpig to me.

[erps]

I've read several articles these past couple of years that indicate soot is having quite an impact on melting glaciers as well.

http://www.gcrio.org/OnLnDoc/pdf/black_soot.pdf

[poopdeckpappy]

We focus on and flipout over a time span that's no more than a blink of an eye

[JohnRPollard]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

We focus on and flipout over a time span that's no more than a blink of an eye

I tend to agree. And I'm always suspicious of photos taken at various intervals without regard for seasonal differences or climatological cycles. As well as any data without larger context.

But, then, in the back of my mind is a nagging voice reminding me how the fossil records suggest that a blink of an eye is about how long it took for the dinosaurs to go extinct.

[jackdale]

From the Idaho Statesman April 24, 2008 (not last week)

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose. The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing, and there is a high-enough risk that "true believers" like Al Gore are right that world economies need to wean themselves off fossil fuels

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There are cycles in climate and warming. My Viking ancestors settled in Greenland, when it really had some green spaces. But since the mid 18th century we have been adding to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere, thus exacerbating the cycles. As other countries industrialize, the emissions will rise.

From Source Watch

Patrick Moore is a former Greenpeace activist who has been a corporate consultant since at least 1991. He began working for the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, in 2006. The Coalition was organised and funded by the Nuclear Energy Institute, with help from the public relations firm, Hill and Knowlton that has a $8 million account with the nuclear industry.[1] In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he "exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes."

I actually must admit that I am leaning toward his views on nuclear energy.

[ssneade]

with all that extra acreage from the retreating glacier, there's more room to grow pot....

stick that in your pipe and smoke it....

[ssneade]

ahhh....