Global Warming Debate

[PBzeer]

One simple comment donrr1. There is no conclusive proof, that "global warming" is anything that wouldn't be happening anyway.

Do humans have an effect on climate, certainly, I know of no reputable scientist that says otherwise. The disagreement is over how much of an effect.

[donrr1]

I don't disagree that global warming wouldn't, couldn't or isn't happening without our input. I used the word 'contributing' quite a few times in my statements.

I would argue however, that there could be a line to be crossed. We, as a species, shouldn't be the 'contributor' to a cataclismic event that may not happen otherwise. There would be no way of validating whether we contributed enough to cross that line but I gotta think that we should do all we can, as a species, to continue our existence here as long as possible.

If the human race contributes enough pollution to cause a 'small up and down' to become a major swing, who's hindsight is gonna fix it?

I realize that this planet has enough processes going on to rid us of our existence goose. My point is, it would be one helluva shame for us to put us over the edge.

Don

[PBzeer]

Until such a time as there can be, and is, rational discussion of the subject, and not the hysterics of the Algores of the world, how can we know anything? If we had followed the advice of 30 years ago, we would have hastened warming, now we're supposed to slow it. When a subject such as this is used in a political way, how can one not be skeptical of it?

[donrr1]

It usually takes histerics to get humanity 'off it's ass'. This isn't the only site that has an off topic thread about global warming I can assure you. I don't know of any politicians here, and WE are talking about it. I would say then, that there is such time, and it is right now, with you, me, goose and the others here that had some input. This topic is spreading through all the ranks, thanks to the likes of Al Gore, Tom Brokaw and others. I don't know about you, but their 'histerics' got me off my ass and thinking, reasearching, and debating about it. When others are motivated in the same way, the common will will move towards solutions. Through elected officials in this country.

The thought that human activities could push the species over it's threshhold of existence is an histerical thought. I'm not buried in the sand with the thinking, hell, we're here now, let's just gloat ourselves with whatever niceties the marketers can come up with, I won't be here when it's time to pay the piper...

Don

[PBzeer]

I suppose you are aware, that one of the "chic" things for the global warming crowd is to buy carbon offsets. That's so they can not practice what they preach, but be "forgiven" for it. Care to take a guess who Algore buys his from?

[T34C]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Yeah, I caught that one too. Sun's hotter than it was a hundred years ago. Probably not relevant to the discussion.

You didn't really say that the SUN is not relevant to the temperature of the Earth did you???

[ianhlnd]

Who was it, some university in Toronto? Their recently published papers support the proposition of global cooling. So What is it? Cooling or Warming? Shorts or parkas? That's the really important question. We all know the earth goes through cooling and warming phases. Wouldn't it be cool if someone without a political agenda or without some monetary interest one way or the other would just lay out the facts. So far, it hasn't happened IMHO

[sailaway21]

For those just coming out of the latest Catalina tech bulletin on the proper drying of prop wash, there is a degree of sarcasm present in this thread.

[T34C]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

For those just coming out of the latest Catalina tech bulletin on the proper drying of prop wash, there is a degree of sarcasm present in this thread.

When I see CD- I'll let him know.

[camaraderie]

Donrr...I disagree with your proposition that MAN is CONTRIBUTING to global warming at all. I do not dispute that we are polluting etc. ...but the basic environmentalist premise is that global warming is at least in part caused by increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere and that we humans do a lot to increase those levels. The whole Kyoto thing is designed to reduce CO2 emissions.
In fact the ice core samples used to study warming and CO2 and taken in BOTH the Artic and Antarctic show that temperatures RISE and THEN CO2 rises...about 800 years later on average. Increased CO2 is a RESULT of global warming ....not a cause. Therefore man creating increased CO2 will not result in warming. Here's a pretty compelling slide show and lecture on the subject (30 minutes) if you are interested in WHY the "other side" feels the way we do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTGBc...elated&search=