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1. 0.01% rise mostly caused by solor flares and sun spots
2. Dr Kai-Uwe Hinrichs and WHOI
3. What was released was 90 million tons (est), not by temp but by possible undersea landslide, dosen't matter how it was released, the effect is still the same, higher global temps
4. You are correct about it being my opinion, as best you can tell and I'm not a climate scientist, as far as you know
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I don't doubt that GHG's are being released from melting permafrost. That is of course how interglacial cycles last so long. They are historically kicked off by short term warming events (like Milankovich cycles) then spread out over thousands of years by released GHG's.
What you are presumably trying to claim, is that the flux of solar radiation has increased to such a magnitude as to kick off an anomalous interglacial cycle. Well, your work is cut out for you then. You need to;
1. Quantify the increased solar forcing in W/m^2
2. Show that man-released GHG's have a much smaller radiative forcing than is currently calculated (good luck).
3. Match the increased magnitude of solar forcing with the observed warming.
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NASA says the temp there is rising with ours.
Actually the temps on Mars, Pluto, Triton, and Jupiter have all been found to be rising at the same time. Of course the ManGW advocates have explanations for each of these temp rises just happening to be coincident with ours. How convenient....BUT...
Habibullo Abdussamatov, the head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, recently linked the attenuation of ice caps on Mars to fluctuations in the sun's output. Abdussamatov also blamed solar fluctuations for Earth’s current global warming trend. His initial comments were published online by National Geographic News.
“Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,” Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. “The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."
Guess he is one of the insane ones...oh wait, he is not a climatologist, just the head of space research that measures the suns' output!
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OH come on Cam, do you really think the sun has something to do with global warming?  The next thing your going to tell me is theres money in global warming. 
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What you are presumably trying to claim, is that the flux of solar radiation has increased to such a magnitude as to kick off an anomalous interglacial cycle. Well, your work is cut out for you then. You need to;
1. Quantify the increased solar forcing in W/m^2
2. Show that man-released GHG's have a much smaller radiative forcing than is currently calculated (good luck).
3. Match the increased magnitude of solar forcing with the observed warming.
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1. Wouldn't it be tough to get an actual solar forcing increase when climate equilibrium isn't a fixed sum ??
I don't know how to answer this,except to say that estimates of a 1-2% increase over the last 1000 yrs is ( to quote a IPCC terminology ) likely and add to that the increase of CH4 and increased water vapor and you have a natural climate change with a solar influence
2. Yeah no kidding good luck, even the IPCC is guessing on their current calulations
3. Can I just go outside and look
4. But, that isn't really what I was saying, what I said was, approx. 90 million tons of CH4 was released,( possibly by under sea landslide not a flux in solar radiation ) some 44,000 yrs ago and it just so happened to coincide with a still unexplained rise in earths temps.
5. I also said the CH4 is 21 times more efficient at trapping solar heat than carbon dioxide and water vapor is greater still
Damn, it's late and I'm freezing my ass off
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If there were no man-made contributions to climate change, would the earth still be warming? If so, what would be the difference between with man-made contributions and without?
Is global warming harmful to the planet? Or is merely harmful to mankind's current state of existence on the planet?
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Is global warming harmful to the planet? Or is merely harmful to mankind's current state of existence on the planet?
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Are we now claiming that human existence is affecting/destroying Mars?
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Sorry RAGNAR, without a META-STUDY your comment is worthless and being ignored. 
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