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I know there are conservative politicians who support GW, including Bush, Gingrich and McCain. I have posted that previously. I still think the debate largely breaks down along political lines, especially in this forum.

I am still waiting for someone on this forum to make the statement that they are conservative and still support GW.

I have to stop posting on this thread.
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Really, I mean it. No more posting.
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Brit Hume had a moment of incredible perception when he summarized this massive pseudo-debate with:

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Scientific consensus is what you get when you don't have scientific fact.
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If there were no man-made contributions to climate change, would the earth still be warming?
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If so, what would be the difference between with man-made contributions and without?
The difference would be rather we reach 300k at 11:59 Dec 31,2050 or Midnight Jan 01 2051

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Is global warming harmful to the planet? Or is merely harmful to mankind's current state of existence on the planet?
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What's going to be the most harmful to the planet, is the irrational responses, that are so off the wall, so far out in left field, it makes you wonder how we can be labeled one of the smart animals of this planet.
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PBreezer: Is global warming harmful to the planet? Or is merely harmful to mankind's current state of existence on the planet?
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Depends on what's meant by "current existence."

Fact is, we have the capacity to discover how to control all kinds of aspects of nature. Weather manipulation would no different than any other "miracle" brought to us by scientists and entrepreneurs.

French wine regions have been blasting rain clouds away in late August and Sept since the plane was invented.

The Pentagon tried to induce heavy rainfall to curtail the VietCong with promising results.

The Chinese are learning to empty the right clouds at the right time to assure a dry Olympics '08.

When animals take measures to live their lowly, survival-is-all-I-can-hope-for lives, the Greens point to it as a sign of cognition and greatness. When Man derives things like the technologies that make it possible for the Greens to study these animals in unimaginable detail, that act is reduced to genetically caused, dangerous, evil, unNatural.

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Depends on what's meant by "current existence."

Fact is, we have the capacity to discover how to control all kinds of aspects of nature. Weather is no different than any other "miracle" brought to us by scientists and entrepreneurs.
That is the scary part, how many times has something been forced upon us, for our own good, only to find out later, it made the problem worse.

I'm not following the " business as usual " mindset, I think we should continue to search out friendlier alteratives for our energy, what I'm saying is, let mother nature run her course, use those technologies to adapt to the changes that are sure to come with or without anthropogenic influence, not alter our natural climate course.
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it makes you wonder how we can be labeled one of the smart animals of this planet.
Your mistake is in forgetting who wrote that label for you.

If you could poll "the animals" the label may well be different, don't you think?

I do.
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Observed surface temps of all planets in our system are rising.

Mars, the one we have the best temp data for, mirrors what little we see on Earth (one hasto apply a massive multiple, but the pattern is there.)

Are we now claiming that human existence is affecting/destroying Mars?
Yes, it's all our fault, it couldn't be the sun.
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