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So the question is that the violated the GW concept of additionality ?
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Bastards.

No requirement to do so per the law, it' a made up concept by GW advocates
Circle the wagons and feed at the trough everyone. 89k is a butt load of money on the global scale.
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I've got to get in on this carbon sequestering business before all the money is gone. My wife's cooking skills are responsible for a tremendous amount of carbon and, what the dog won't eat, get's tossed out. Now I find out I'm throwing away money! I'm going to have to be careful though, my wife is going to be real suspicious if I ask for seconds; that's never happened before.
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Would not being obese be considered carbon sequestering, and gaining weight be proof of additionality?

Eat at Mc'donald's - !

Of all the ways to spend my tax dollars this is the silliest.
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awe come on chuck, give them a chance. They'll come up with a sillier way to spend your tax dollars soon.
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awe come on chuck, give them a chance. They'll come up with a sillier way to spend your tax dollars soon.
to the market crash thread?

There is literally no point. I pass the torch on to others.
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Camaraderie – I appreciate your assumptions. I got my information from Geology by Chernicoff and Whitney, and Meteorology by Ahrens. You can inform their publishers of the errors if you wish.

I have no agenda. It’s a global warming thread, which seems like a place where anyone can discuss the matter. If you’re questioning why I’m on this site in particular, I’d be more than happy to tell you my sailing experience.

Thanks for sharing the thermometer information. Yes, I’m familiar with those – we set up stations throughout Glacier Bay National Park, and yes, there is a margin of error. Keep in mind this is not uncommon among any instrument. Technically it’s fair to say there has never been and will never be research without error.

“For the actual data they had 100 years ago, they used mercury thermometers…”

You’re right, the data they had 100 years ago were from mercury thermometers, but… the data used in climate models are reconstructed. Again. The data in climate models are reconstructed.

In fact, scientists still reconstruct data for climate models as early as 5 years ago. Skeptical? Google “Ignatius G. Rigor" and look through the projects. Granted, thermometer data is still valid data, but research is not solely limited to thermometers readings.


“Are you ignoring it because it's a blog or because it published the following:…”

Poopdeckappy, I’m ignoring it because it’s a blog.


SailingAway21 – Nice reply. I stated that data from the 1880’s (to more recent) was/is reconstructed.

One thing to point out, I never stated that conservative reports were less reliable than liberal, or vice versa. People told me to “follow the money” on my sources, which I did. I found nothing surprising or disturbing. I “followed” the money on the resources from poopdeckpappy, and thought it was odd that a statement from a slanted article would be more valid than the IPCC or any other reports I’ve brought up.

What you make of that is, of course, of your own opinion. People can look at these sources for themselves and decide which they think is more valid. Personally, I’d put more belief into a report from NOAA than from any liberal or conservative study.

“Because many areas of the midwest could really use some rain this spring and it hardly seems right that we're sitting on our hands when we could be doing something about it.”

You might be confusing climate and weather on this one. I said man affects, not controls, climate. Look up the definitions of climate and weather and maybe rephrase what you mean exactly.

“It's going to be difficult to discuss the topic with Melinda because she assures us that temperatures "are not where they should be".”

Isn’t this the global warming thread?

“I'm equally sure that we are all eagerly anticipating Melinda's explanation of where temperatures should be and why they should be there.”

I stated before, “People must look at, idealistically, all of the models to get an idea of the extent of climate change.”

“I assume Sway, you aren't holding your breath waiting for any response from melinda that can't be found in an enviormental activist report, press release, etc..”

I’ve included where my information is coming from in all of my posts. Maybe somebody can tell me which are environmental activist reports, and perhaps whether they’re liberal or conservative?
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Melinda are you ok with paying for your contribution to carbon offsets when in fact there is no means to actually measure the impact thereof. We all know that Global Warming exists but how to do you penalize those whom contribute when no ability to derive actual contribution on a personal level.. or are you unaware that Global Warming is just another economic stock market in the making... merely meant not to solve the issue if it exists but because it is presumed it does that money can be made off of it... You'll actually have to try hard in you seemingly every other week and only post to only this thread to come up with a reasonable response....
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Melinda...nice of you to stop by on your weekly visit. "Personally, I’d put more belief into a report from NOAA than from any liberal or conservative study."

Right...NOAA would be something to believe in especially since it is NASA that does the temperature data!! Geez! And James Hansen who heads the NASA/GISS data center is a noted warming alarmist who FUDGED the temperature data adjustments. When asked to provide the algorithm used to smooth the data he published he would not release it. (THIS is a PUBLIC servant!!)...so a birght mathematecian decoded the algorithm from the initial data and found YES...there was an error that led to a warm bias...and oh by the way...in addition to the warm bias, it made some dates in the 1920's and 30's warmer than the 2005 "hottest year ever"...very inconvenient. Hansen was forced to change his data and release the actual algorithm by public pressure. Oh yeah...out pubic servants are looking out for us!

BTW Mel...throwing out the names of a couple of guys who wrote textbooks ain't gonna cut it.
The MAIN point is that the IPCC shows a steady temperature rise since the 1950's based on SURFACE STATION TEMPERATURES derived from the little boxes you say you set up. I did NOT claim that tree rings, sea sediment cores, ice cores, satellite temps are not used in research...INDEEED they are my best allies since it is SURFACE STATION temps which show the warming...and With 85% of the measuring stations showing location and siting induced errors of between 1 and 5 degrees...(more than all the reported warming in the last century)... it is simply laughable that anyone would even TRY to use this data to convince us of our impending doom.
But you say..."we set up stations throughout Glacier Bay National Park, and yes, there is a margin of error. Keep in mind this is not uncommon among any instrument. Technically it’s fair to say there has never been and will never be research without error."
Error yes....but when the average station ERROR exceeds the data variance...you don't use the data as the primary reason we should spend trillions of dollars to fix a problem that your data can't prove exists.
Minor little temperature errors like the ones we might get from this one!
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I wonder if they had blacktop in 1880...do ya think we might find some in soil sediment cores? Maybe those are all Prius's & we don't have to account for their exhaust either.

Finally...thanks for the link to dear old Ignatius g. Rigor. You see, I did google him and actually READ some of his stuff and while he does a number of reconstructions of climate for his own purposes...he manages to include on his site a treatise on "SURFACE AIR TEMPERATURE AND ITS CHANGES OVER THE PAST 150 YEARS" P. D. Jones,1 M. New,1 D. E. Parker,2
S. Martin,3 and I. G. Rigor4

It might be instructive for you to take a look at that for it will soon disabuse you of the notion that surface temp records are based on anything other than thermometers since 1880.
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the post-1850 instrumental era,
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I try to stay away from this whole debate, normally, because I don't even agree with it's premise which is that global warming would be a bad thing if it exists. On the contrary, we are in a warm spot between what are probably two very long glaciations, and a little warming could go a long way towards keeping us out of the next one, hopefully. The last one lasted approximately 100,000 years and has only been over about 15,000 years. It isn't a coincidence that human civilization only took off in the past few thousand years, and it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to think human civilization might effectively end when the next glaciation starts.
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