Global Warming Debate

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by sailboy21

Ahh, but you can't have solutions without a global tax and control grid!

Latest from Commyfornia: plan to install GPS tracking devices to tax by the mile instead of tax by the gallon since all the hybrid cars getting better MPG is causing a drastic drop in gas tax revenue.
My bet is they say they are "replacing" the gas tax when in fact they are going to double it and use both...

Pass a link on that if you have one.
I have a hard time believing that hybrid's have made a significant difference at the state wide level in gas tax revenues. Even in California - they just haven't got that many of them there yet.

Edit, found this:
1 California 67,533
that's the count of hybrid cars, end of 2007 statewide
Not enough. http://www.laalmanac.com/transport/tr02.htm

5.2 million (registered vehicles) in LA county alone.

Just not enough to make that kind, or ANY kind of difference on a global, or even national scale.

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by melinda

Poopdeckappy, I’m ignoring it because it’s a blog.

Ahhh, I see, you can't dispute the message nor can you dispute the author, so it's best to discount the conduit by which the message is brought forth.

I tell you what, do a search and you'll find plenty about this particular article, you can even choose the vessel that meets your approval.

However, whichever wagon you chosse to hitch yourself to, the article and author remains the same.

[sailaway21]

Melinda fails to fundamentally answer any of the points raised in my previous post. Her answer, "isn't this the global warming thread" and alluding to "the models" betrays a bias against actual science.

I heat my house to 68 degrees. When the Portagee comes to visit, I'll raise that to 78 degrees. You see, the Portagee and I have a difference of opinion on what constitutes "normal" household temperatures. Melinda and I have a difference of opinion on what constitutes normal global temperatures. But the biggest difference that we have is that I am apparently obtuse as to what the normal global temperature should be and Melinda knows but won't tell me. This is a level of difference upon which two parties would find it impossible to conduct even the sale of a used car, let alone decide enrgy policy for the entire globe. So, while I may be ignorant, I'm not buying. (g)

Melinda's ministrations on the differences between weather and climate were illuminating as far as they go. I'm under the quaint assumption that climate is largely the accumulated effects of weather. This can reasonably considered a chicken versus egg controversy. But since we have to start some place, I'd say that our best indicator of climate change might be weather. Or, put another way, weather is our best indicator of climate so wouldn't it be our best indicator of climate change. It does seem to this obtuse writer that a knowledge of weather might be of value in the discussion of climate or climate change. But then, I'm notoriously sceptical; I don't come in out of the rain until I actually feel the rain.

I found Melinda's follow up post less than nourishing. Perhaps future posts will contain more meat.

[sailaway21]

sailboy,
What's all this stuff about the world not being able to grow enough food?

[RAGNAR]

zzz

[sailaway21]

Those interested in the presidential election and how that will influence the debate on global warming might find the below op-ed from the Washington Post "interesting". Lest anyone doubt it's veracity, the Chicago Tribune ran much the same editorial today as well. It's going to be a very cold November for global warming sceptics.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020902222.html

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Those interested in the presidential election and how that will influence the debate on global warming might find the below op-ed from the Washington Post "interesting". Lest anyone doubt it's veracity, the Chicago Tribune ran much the same editorial today as well. It's going to be a very cold November for global warming sceptics.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020902222.html

That the Washington Post and Chicago Tribune run much the same 'editorial' does not increase veracity, it just means two media outlets with the same political lean have the same opinion.

[RAGNAR]

zzz

[sailortjk1]

This year has really heated the debate.
Jeneau Alaska has had the coldest winter on record.
And if the earth is warming than how can the warmest day in History have happened in 1922, a record that has never been seriously threatened.
Its fricking cold!

[PBzeer]

tj - why else do you think they DON'T want to debate the issue. Once they found a basis for their conclusions, any further study could only weaken their position, since they knew how precarious it was to scrunity.