Democrats versus Republicans

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

Far be it from me to beat a dead horse, chuckles, but while you're checking statistics, tell us how many people have been elected President who refused to salute the flag. (Sorry sck5, but sometimes when there's an open door, you just have to walk through it. )

Post mortem equine indeed:
Related but not the same: Amendment to make burning the flag illegal -

On Wednesday June 28th, 1995, the full House approved the amendment, the vote being 312-120, with 93 Democrats joining 219 Republicans in the majority, while 12 Republicans sided with 107 Democrats and the chambers lone independent in opposing the measure. The measure went on to the Senate Judiciary Committee where it was approved 12-6 on July 20th,1995. A two-thirds majority in the full Senate is necessary to pass a constitutional amendment. If passed by the Senate the measure would then need to be ratified by 38 of the 50 states within seven years to add the language to the Constitution. It is not subject to a presidential veto.

Some could argue that the Dem's were siding with free speech - which is the supreme court stance. The Senate failed to ratify with a vote of 63 - 36.

Clinton opposed the amendment, the Republican's vowed to bring it up again -then lost the majority in the House and have not been able to.

On to the subject -
from an independent (biased former military) POV (that'd be me).

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

Only Obama is not placing his hand over his heart. It's not just respect for the symbol, it's not just being unpatriotic (google ABC not letting journlist wear flag pins after 9/11) - it's his freedom of speech to say he is

wait for it

Ashamed of America.
His comment:
"Today, the Obama campaign explained that the photo was taken not during the pledge of allegiance but during the star spangled banner. Said Obama, "I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!" Of course, it doesn't really matter that Obama has addressed and debunked the e-mail because it's going to keep circulating."

Ridiculuous that a candidate for President of the US did not know the proper protocol becasue he was taught wrong by his grandfather -

WHY - because therer are earlier vid's of him with his hand over his heart while the anthem is playing. HE KNEW BETTER AND DID IT INTENTIONALLY; or just forgot because unlike with every american I know it is in FACT almost INSTINCT to rise, stand at attention (he is not) and put your hand over you heart.

IMHO, that's like saying he supports neither the mission or the troops. We (military folks) live for that symbol and die by it. To voluntarily not respect it is anthema.

In his defense - he did vote to make reading the pledge a daily event in school. There, now I'm balanced

Sorry SCK, in this one, you are wrong. I'm just surprized it hasn't made a real difference with the majority of people. Maybe that highlights how sick the country is. Guess we could argue that and it's cause.

[sck5]

I too am conditioned to put my hand on my heart and sing. But I did notice at the last baseball game I was at that not everyone was doing it. Seemed to me that most people of a certain age did and below that it was hit or miss.

I will give you this much. It is bad politics not to know that the patriot police are out in force if you are running for President and that singing instead of putting your hand on your heart is so much more important than voting to provide adequate armor for the troops (which Mr. McCain failed to do).

[sck5]

Here's a link for that last statement about McCain failing to vote for adequate armor for the troops

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Demonstrating patriotism with a lapel pin? Essential
Keeping troops alive with the armor they need? Optional

Thats a screwy view of patriotism in my book.

[PBzeer]

So pray tell, Mr. Self-described Liberal, why should someone vote for your boy Obama?

[sck5]

PB

Here are a couple of reasons

He had the sense to see that going into Iraq was a blunder of historic proportions

He is a smart and hardworking man which will be a welcome change from the current guy

He is a Democrat and has a far better idea on how to deal with the coming recession than just chanting "cut taxes"

The smears about his patriotism are just that - smears

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by sck5

I too am conditioned to put my hand on my heart and sing. But I did notice at the last baseball game I was at that not everyone was doing it. Seemed to me that most people of a certain age did and below that it was hit or miss.

I will give you this much. It is bad politics not to know that the patriot police are out in force if you are running for President and that singing instead of putting your hand on your heart is so much more important than voting to provide adequate armor for the troops (which Mr. McCain failed to do).

There's a confused website if ever I saw one - in one section McCain says nay, in the other TWO , he is groups with the Yae.
So which was it, two typo's for yea, or one for Nay?


McCain's official position - it was tabled because it took money from reconstruction - the bill was flawed in that it did not provide armor for the troops without conditions.

Tell the whole story or none of it.

[PBzeer]

And so, what are his policies to accomplish these goals?

Since he wasn't elected to the US Senate until 2004, he had no part in the decision or vote.

So just being smart and hardworking is the main qualification?

So Democrats are the only people who understand economics?

I wasn't aware that '"a couple of reasons" equaled four.
But then, I never liked math.

[PBzeer]

Let me put this a simpler way. I don't want to know what he wants to do, I want to know HOW he's going to do it.

[sck5]

He got elected to the senate on a platform which opposed the Iraq war so that works for me. If it doesnt for you, then by all means vote for the other guy.

Re; dems and economics - I have to say yes since the only policy I have heard out of the republicans for the past seven years has been to cut taxes (the rationale is different when the economy is good and when it is bad but the policy recommendation is pretty much constant) That isnt much of a policy.

Yeah, I am unable to count.

[sck5]

How?

Good question - Hope we hear more in the general election. More of the same is not a good plan though and McCain has said "I dont know much about economics" and also mentioned being in Iraq "for a hundred years". Obama hasnt been too specific til now as you will know if you listen to his speeches - though he was starting to get better in the last debate.