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Portugal experience

As my poor memory might recall twas the late 80's when I had the pleasure to spend a week and a half in Portugal. A delightful country that actually seemed to like Americans! I hope it has retained that feature.

Upon arrival in Lisbon it became obvious why such a small country became one of the great early seafaring powers. The Harbor is magnificent and huge, with plenty of good acessable spots for vessels of any size. Her seafaring heritage is omnipresent every where I went. Didn't catch the Algarve but managed to get about most of the country with ease while staying at Le Meridian in Lisbon ( decent place.even tho it was a frog hotel!).

Had linked up with a few americans who were there, as I was, with intermitent business moments interspersed with some days of personal time. Night one found us at a Lisbon Fado bar, day two a massive hangover! Night two returning to the Fado Bar to find it closed, a sidewalk hawker urged us to enter the establishment nearby as it was midnight The disco "Skylab" was just opening. It didnt get cooking for about an hour , but when it did it was pretty wild. Lovely women in that country! Day three, Massive hangover!

Highlights:

Procuitto (or rather the Portugees version of it, my wife is Sicillian so the Italian names stick in my head) and pinapple or melon is the national
appetizer...Delightful

Visit to a bullfighter training farm where I was promised a "barbeque". The demonstrations were fasinating. After the picadors and the toreadors had finished, the audience was asked if they would like to participate...uhhhh.You may not believe this but quite a few locals hopped into the bullring. In street shoes..slacks.. dress shirts and proceded to taunt the bull, upon gaining this unwelcome attention racing to the side of the ring and vaulting over a five foot wooden wall! Uuhhh.. none for me thanks! I'd like to practice that wall vault a bit before trying that! Ah yes! the "barbecue" turned out to be a grill rather than the low and slow version. The entre was.....Sardines! Turns out these grilled Sardines are availble in cafe's everywhere in the country. Unbelievably excellent! I lust after them even now. Marinated in lemon juice salt and what I believe was oregano, then lightly grilled, positivly gourmet, delish, addictive!

Estoril! an exquisite coastal town of rare beauty! Sticks in my memory even more as I more doubled my disposable pocket money in the local casino. At that time the casino was only available to forieners and not for locals. Wifey and I had tickets to a show in the casino complex and I brought a little extra cash to play a little blackjack (my fav) before the show. As luck would have it every blackjack table was packed. Undaunted I headed for the craps section...the game was different....REALLY DIFFERENT (found out later it was a rather simple game but didn't know that at the time). Saddened by this turn of fortune I headed for the one armed bandits (to me better odds than baccaratt) handed wifey half of my escudos (after converting them to tokens, hell I already was having trouble figuring out what I was spending now I have to convert twice!) The machine I'm feeding is kicking me back a coin or two every so often and wifey whose machine is not cooperating at all demands mine. So I let her have it (descretion IS the better part of valor especially with a Sicillian chick!) and move to the next machine. She pormptly begins to lose what coin she has left, while my new mechanical demon is bent on returning large quantities of coin at every other stroke. Pretty soon I have my basket overflowing, both pants pockets full of tokens and wifey is tugging at my sleeve. "We are going to be late for the show!! Descresion is the better part of.... the hell with that! "beat it kid! ya botherin me!" In due time she managed to convince me to desert my mechanical friend. And for once I left a casino a man richer in spirit AND in pocket!

More stuff, but I'm bound to be boring you readers. The ramblings of an aged yacht club barfly and bon-vivant.

My ancient life raft was just condemmed so it's off to figure out the replacement!

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Nice essay of what sounded like a nice visit.

The only thing you left out, was the hairy women
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Ahh a man that has tasted Portugal..and forever was marked...Estoril is my home town..its where I live, 5 minutes from my marina, which is Cascais.

Dewey..Portugal now is much much different from what it was was in the 80's Those times were not so good as we had the revolution in 74 and in the 80's we were still trying to recover form the 8 Colonial wars we had in Africa (at the same time) and Timor, since the 60's (at same time you guys had Vietnam), we were still recovering from 50 years of Fascist Government by Salazar, that isolated us from the rest of the World, lost all the colonies, and suffered an Emigration fiasco due to the above, with people, specially low class people and upper mid class higher education people leaving the Couintry, mainly to France and to the USA, leaving the couintry without executioners and tech people.

Anyway, we joined the European Union in 84 and received a lot Euro funds and financial support and help to help us raise to European standards..not quite there yet, but almost....we now are on the Euro, and have become a Services and Tourism country with extremely good and well recognized Internationally Engineering and hiogher Education means.

Portugal has become a well respected tech supplier (which is good and for a change we are not known for our excellent soccer teams PAY TAXES YOU GANGSTERS), and has increasingly showing up Internationally...( well a lot due to my excellent beautifull and fast boat )...

Portugal hosted the 98 World Expo, the 2004 Euro Soccer Cup, missed being the PLACE WHERE THE America's Cup was supposed to be, due to last minute King Carlos of Spain reaching in his pocket and "throw" 12 or 15 Million US, to the ACC's organization, that went after the money to Barcelona, instead of after the Wind to Cascais, my port, Portugal will instead, host the ISAF World Cup in Cascais...well the real saiolrs are in the ISAF, the rich ones in the ACC...

I too love sardinhas (sardines) and we call (Prosciutto) Presunto, which means "big leg" and was started in Portugal and Spain together with the sausage or Choriço, when theMours, that invaded us in the year 700 did not eat pork meat...then went to Italy....anyway

We still have the best wine in the world, unfortunately little known as all our wine production is for internal consumption only, making it almost impossiblt ot get a bottle outside Portugal (other than Port and Mateus)... A Portuguese will never drink Mateus...its bad...

Anyway

here is Estoril and here also

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and if you are interested in seeing photos of Estoril and Cascais go to google and type:

ESTORIL or CASCAIS. or even MARINA CASCAIS...

Thanks for not bashing Portugal...the home of Giulietta
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A delightful country that actually seemed to like Americans! I hope it has retained that feature.
A lot of people like Americans, DB. Hell, even I like Americans. Generally, they are a hospitable and helpful people who can be very generous with their time. They are certainly more charitable than most, but maybe they have to be.

Unfortunately, a lot of people disagree with certain aspects of American culture (or its projection into their own) and even more don't like some aspects of American politics. Combine that with the fact that foreigners frequently have, shall we say, a more comprehensive and balanced knowledge of American affairs than do many Americans, and it tends to make you poor buggers easy targets of frustration or dissent.

I've travelled a fair bit, and I've had to argue (in French, yet) when some typically sneering French barstool philosophers were ragging on an American student with pretty poor French comprehension about "how racist America was".

Once I pointed out how depised the Arabic former colonials of France seemed to me to be, and certain other sordid aspects of France's tendency to offer up its national buttocks to invaders, they shut up. But I do recall that the American student was deeply shocked to discover that Americans weren't universally loved as the avatars of democracy, freer of nations, etc. etc. She didn't see that the gap between the story Americans tell themselves and how actions taken under the American aegis were at best only loosely connected.

The British Empire at its greatest extent was capable of a similar selective blindness. Rhetoric about "the white man's burden" and "how it was the duty of England to civilize its far-flung possessions" didn't really address the political impotence of the inhabitants of said colonies, nor the very lucrative extraction of goods that enriched England and provided captive markets for her own manufactures.

Luckily, the pursuit of sailing brings people of many nations in close contact with each other, and the customs of the sea encourage courtesy and patience to avoid accidental "incidents" on the seas, which, after all, are free to all. This makes us ambassadors of a sort, and I find talking to sailors from other lands a huge privilege.
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I loved Portugal during my short visit in 04.

Spent several days walking ever widening circles around my hotel, (The Canada House).

Can't wait to visit again someday!
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If someone is intersted in coming here:

Lets say you want to sail the whole Atlantic coast of Portugal, starting from the North...

A good sail is to start in the North of Portugal, and sail down into the Med.

Be carefull because most people think that the South of Portugal is in the Med already, it is still Atlantic, so not so warm waters, a lot of wind (mostly North winds) and sea in the winter, wonderfull in summer!!

You can start in the North and finish in our sunny warm south, the ALGAVE.

Make sure you spend a lot of time in the Algarve, the south of Portugal, that is absolutely gorgeous, then proceed to Spain, Cadiz, Barcelona, Ibiza and Med.

So starting in the North, say in Vigo, I would then sail south, I would spend one or 2 days at each town, and jump from marina to marina, normally located in historical towns, with lots of restaurants typical fisher restaurants and superb wine.

In Portugal count on at least 2 to 3 days in each town. Portugal is a very gastronomical Country (even better than France and Italy, but little known because we keep it to ourselves and are too small to export, to give you an idea, we think that Italian food is bad and has little variety!!), being one of the oldest countries in the World, each town (sometimes appart by one inch, as towns merge into others) has its own Cod fish dish, beef dish, pork dish (sorry pigslo), fish dish, its own dessert, white wine and red wine, and cheese. (Remember that most of the cakes and sweet desserts in the medieval times were only afforded by the monasteries, who only them could buy sugar. Portugal has thousands of monasteries, therefore THOUSANDS of desserts). Therefore in each town you will be eating different food, drinking different wine and different pastry!!!

Stay 2 days in Viana do Castelo, sail to Porto 3 days there to see all, sail to Figueira da Foz, stay 2 days, then a 130 miles to my home town CASCAIS.
We have one of the best marinas in here (expensive but I can get you a discount!!!).
I would stay 5 days, and use the train to go to Lisbon (15 minutes). We have a castle, still standing up right, Lisbon downtown, built in year 800 AC !! The Belem Tower, the Jeronimos Monastery (where all the soilors are buried), the discoveries monument, etc. Its crazy beautiful, and rich in history, too. One of the oldest cities in the World, still very well preserved and clean. the food.... well, come on over. Cascais marina is like a shooping town. You can also find overnight in Lisbon marinas.

You can visit SINTRA (check on the web), patrimony of the World, another castle built in 1100 ac by the Mours. Then sail south, stay in Sines one night (guaranteed the best fish in the world, not that soggy hot water stuff they call fish in the Caribbean), then, it gets "tricky".
You have to sail past the Sagres Cape. (where they say Infante Henry had is sailing school in the 1500's but that is BS, it was in Lisbon, but because the was the "count" of Sagres and they needed tourism...) You have to pass in the am between 3 am and 8 am, otherwise 40kt winds (every single day) and 10'> waves. After you pass, then its smooth sailing .

You are now in the ALGARVE. Welcome!!

Spend several days in Lagos, the marina is right in the middle of the city, and as you enter it, you can see the cars around you, etc.

Sail for 1 hour visit Portimão. Brand new marina (not too expensive). Here you can anchor opposite the marina and stay as long as you want. We do that, and at night cross the mouth of the river into the marina, and dock at the restaurant's dock!!! just like you do with a car!!! really cool. Eat, then go bach to the other side and anchor again.!!!!

From here visit VILAMOURA (a marina built inside a MALL), stay at least 5 days and move around in relatively cheap small cars, such as the SMART (see one on the Wii commercial).

Then, my favorite, THE CULATRA ISLAND, a natural reserve, known as the place with the richest fish variety and also a bird sanctuary.

Go to google earth and type 37º00'07".50N - 7º48'56.50" W.

This is heaven, a few boats (no "smokeys" here, or few), desert sand islands, good fishing warm water. I spendt 15 days there in August with my wife and the 2 boys.

Then from here you can go to Spain, Cadiz, etc. but its not wortth it!! Its full of Spaniards!!!! so ...don't go...stay here, sail north and start over again

Then you can hop from marina to marina in small 50mile jumps.

Start in early June, and plan on returning in September. After September is hard to climb the coast, if youre going back North.

I doubt that after being in Portugal you will stay long in Spain (even them and the French come to Portugal for sailing holidays, and we NEVER go to their countries, there must be a reason!!).

If you plan on leaving the boat here, the Algarve is a paradise, and around 3000 to 4000 Euros per year to keep the boat there with all included.

The winds here are Southwest 10 to 20 kts, most of the time, but in the afternoon on 50% of the days, turns to north winds with a cool 30kts to 35kts to sail fast. (thats when we go out over here).

Mainly we say here, if the wind "follows" the Sun, its going to be steady 15 to 20 kts, good for some wine and a visit to Lisbon (where the enterprise was, remember?).

If the Sun moves, but the wind is not "following", then the NORTADA (north winds) comes and its fast sailing as it blows from 5pm till 8pm at steady 30kts, all the time. Waves are sometimes 3 to 6 feet, but VERY VERY VERY wide appart.

Have questions?? Enjoy.

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A lot of people like Americans, DB. Hell, even I like Americans. Generally, they are a hospitable and helpful people who can be very generous with their time. They are certainly more charitable than most, but maybe they have to be.

Unfortunately, a lot of people disagree with certain aspects of American culture (or its projection into their own) and even more don't like some aspects of American politics. Combine that with the fact that foreigners frequently have, shall we say, a more comprehensive and balanced knowledge of American affairs than do many Americans, and it tends to make you poor buggers easy targets of frustration or dissent.

I've travelled a fair bit, and I've had to argue (in French, yet) when some typically sneering French barstool philosophers were ragging on an American student with pretty poor French comprehension about "how racist America was".
That is kind of you. It would seem to me and the Americans that I know, that no matter what we do in the world we are viewed a bullys Currently our politics are bolstering that image. But the balance will certainly change as Americans are at heart fair and will see how to restore our fairness. Remember the late Winston Churchills words: "Americans always do what is right...after they have tried everything else"

In Lisbon, in Le Meridan"s lobby bar A drunken countryman of mine was taking to task a french tourist (unfairly and approaching violence) I interceded on the young French fellows behalf (grabbed the U.S. Mo-fo South St. Louis style. and convinced him a gentelman respected others opinions, it's the American thing to do) recieved for my troubles no less or more than a glare from the French fellow. Interesting. The French don't seem to care for us a lot.

How anyone could bash Portugal is quite beyond me! A lovely place, frendly people, good food, very pretty ladies. I remember Cascais as well as Estoril.

Thanks for the links, gotta run, tad busy tonite.
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In my Country we like pretty much everyone..even the French and the Spanish we're a quiet bunch...I guess...

Altough its funny you talk about liking Americans..I never heard anyone bash Americans or America in my whole life while there.

Now in view of the present war in Iraq, I would say the Country is divided 50% 50% with people that agree and people that do not agree..

BUT and a big BUT the whole Country agrees we should send our GNR soldiers to Iraq, and support the US (independent of the reasons of the war), because we are a member of NATO, and the US is an allied...

We believe the US would help us in the same condition.

I don't want ot transform this thread about my Country in a political decayed thread, so this is as far as I go in Political discussion,
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Giu,

Ever sail the Azores? I live in the west end of Toronto, so that's how I come by my Portuguese...there are 60,000 Azoreans in my neighbourhood! When Portugal loses in football, they switch to Brazil...

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Altough its funny you talk about liking Americans
Liking? Has there been a spiritual revival in Toronto?
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