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On a couple other forums I regularly visit we have been discussing the pros and cons of military service and I thought there were probably a few retired and/or active Military people on Sailnet that might have some input.

My family has a very long and honored tradition of serving in the Armada Española, the Spanish Navy. Everyone on my mother’s side of the family has served (of course it used to be mandatory) and now it is pretty much expected that I will sign up as well. My dual citizenship, US and Spain, allows me lots of options; I could join up in Spain, I could enlist in the US, or I could go to college, (the University of Washington has offered me early enrollment starting next spring and I already have scholarships and grants in place). But I know if I go to school first, I will probably never serve in the Navy and vise versa with college after the Navy. I can't see doing both. Financially, it makes no matter, as money for school will always be available. I'm also partners in a purse seiner out of Sitka and could easily expand that endeavor and forgo school and the military. I'm leaning towards school, but I haven't decided anything yet.

My questions are…..Have you served? Which branch? Are you glad you did? If you didn't serve, why not?
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First I say I do not know a thing about this, so even my comment below is probably non-sense.

But ...

I always understood that it was easier to go to OCS if you were already in college when you were recruited. I remember when I was in school they were approaching me about OCS and enlisting in the military but I wasn't interested at the time. I don't know what the path is if you are just enlisting before or instead of college. Certainly if you have those scholarships and grants it would be very difficult for me at least to think of a reason not to start college first and then approach the military on your own terms. Especially if you are interested in computers, engineering, and things of that nature. Even if you just put a year in before being picked up by the military that still puts you in a good position to get what you want out of it.
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I did 4 in the USN and would again, I did get to see alot of pacific, learned a little and had alot of fun in the process.

I served 2 years on ship and 2 on shore in Japan
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Why not kill two birds with one stone (college/serving) at United States Coast Guard Academy
I served the USCG for 20 years... it was very rewarding and exciting to boot!
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USC makes a good point (I wish that's what I had done.. 'if wishes were fishes...')
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I served, and if the situation was the same, would do so again. However, if I had the opportunity to go to school as you have, I would've taken that instead. Did I eventually go to school? Yes, when I was 35 with 5 kids and a FT job.
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I am not sure of your age, but you seem to be college eligible. There are a number of options available to you that can combine a college education and military service. In all of them you graduate with a four year degree and a commision in either the USN, the USNR, or the USCG as an Ensign.

The first is the NROTC program, available at many colleges. In addition to your normal classes you will take Naval science classes as well as training during the school year and summers. You graduate as an Ensign in the Naval Reserve with the option of going active duty.

The second is receiving a congressional nomination, and then appointment, to either the USCG Academy at New London, or the USN Academy at Annapolis. In either case you will graduate with a four year degree and be commisioned as an Ensign on active duty in either service, or, in the case of the USNA, the option of the USMC. There is a five year service commitment. The service commitment becomes effective day one of your junior year, if you quit or flunk out, you'll be chipping rust on some ship somewhere for five years.

The last, and the one I am most familiar with, is the US Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point, New York. In terms of degrees this school is, at once the most limited and yet the most expansive. You have a choice of two degrees; Nautical Science or Marine Engineering. There is a "dual" program which allows you a double major, but it is extremely difficult. The majors have had their titles changed of recent but basically remain much the same; you will be trained as either a deck officer or an engineering officer upon merchant ships, graduating with a bachelor's degree, a license as either Third Mate-Oceans, or Third Engineer-Unlimited, and a commision in the USNR. None of the other options above will earn you the USCG license, not even the USCG Academy. And Kings Point is perhaps the most difficult of the schools to graduate from. The reason for that is that you take four years of college courses in three years. Six months of your second and third years each is spent as a midshipman-cadet on board merchant ships travelling the world. You are, in essence, a junior mate or engineer. Summers consist of a week or two off, if that. I say the education is limited in that there are only two real majors to choose between. It is more expansive in that you preserve your options of going into the military, be it the USCG, USN, USA, or the USMC. I have a couple of classmates who just made Admiral, USN. You also, as many do, can go to sea on your license, progressively raising it towards either Master or Chief Engineer. There are also a huge number of shoreside jobs available under both majors, with more initially in engineering. Around 90% of steamship company presidents and vice-presidents are Kings Point grads. If you want a career at sea, this is it. In the Navy, CG, and so forth, you spend more time ashore than at sea. Merchant Marine officers spend their entire careers at sea, unless choosing to come ashore at some point.

I should explain the inherent difference between a merchant officer and a naval officer. On a merchant ship, crewed by 19-25 men, the expertise and it's exercise reside in the officers. In the Navy it resides amoung the senior enlisted men on ships carrying crew of 200 to 3000. On a Navy ship there is a quartermaster shooting stars or an engineers mate fixing a feed water pump. On a merchant ship an officer is doing these duties. Naval officers are more managers, merchant officers are more hands on. At the other federal academies you can major in Russian studies if you wish; at Kings Point it's deck, engine, or dual. There is no commitment, until graduation, of service as at the other schools. You can flunk out or quit at any point.

I said this is the most difficult to graduate from because of the work load. You will start with seventeen credits per quarter to help you acclimate to the environment, then you'll be bumped up to twenty and over. Fall below a 2.0 GPA and you're gone. Less than one third of appointments make it the four years, and there are far fewer appointments than at the other academies, about 350 per class year.

In my opinion, the most expansive opportunity is attendence at a four year school with NROTC. You can major in what you will, the commitment to the USNR is five years, I believe, you can go active duty upon graduation and then into the reserves , or you can pursue a career while remaining in the reserves. Of course, there is always the chance of being called to active duty whenever you are in the reserves.

In my opinion, the down-side to being an officer in the Navy or USCG is that you are much more likely to be spending time sailing a desk than at sea. The enlisted men in both services, IMHO, get to have all the fun. So, if you want sea duty, bear that in mind.

I hope I've answered some of your questions.
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I had the opportunity to join the USN during college. I already had a National Merit Scholarship and chose not to join the NROTC which would have given me a further scholarship and paid the slack for undergraduate and law school. I again had the opportunity to join the USN as a JAG officer while in law school and chose not to join. I deeply regret both decisions. Go to school and join the NROTC and see if it's for you.
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