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Dow's up 889 points( 10.%) 7 days after a much hyped "crash this week" prediction and silence resounds throughout the thread...
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A very interesting article on how, yes, things can get worse. A bit of history that may well be a distant memory to some as well.
The Age of Prosperity Is Over - WSJ.com
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One thing seems clear - When the market goes up 800 points one day and down the next and then again and then again - It means the people in the market dont really know where the hell it ought to be at all. They are just guessing, which makes me nervous.
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Foreclosure myths
Some numbers of no small interest to us. Numbers that are not going to make the bailout look any better to us either. The pigs do not want to be eaten.
A very good article:
RealClearMarkets - Articles - Foreclosure Myths: Can the Media Handle the Truth?
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Originally Posted by sailaway21
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Well, finally. We have an article which was actually researched before the guy wrote it.
As to his conclusions? He actually has it partially right.
"As Liebowitz observes, what we are currently seeing is often characterized as a subprime crisis, but in fact, it is an adjustable-rate mortgage problem. "
I agree with this, and is why I called for government help on the other end of the spectrum instead of the bailout they passed.
However, he over stated the 'flipper' syndrome significantly. Did they walk away from homes? Certainly. But not enough to impact the numbers the way the author has slanted his story.
Each of these was a key component in the mortgage mess in the following order:
1.) adjustable rate mortgages (#1 problem)
2.) underemployment
3.) loss of job
4.) Flippers (as much as 25% of the Florida, Ca, Az market which drove prices up before 2006)
The media covered all of these. Check back issues of Time magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, etc..
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And so much for the efforts of conservatives on here to lay the current debacle on Bill Clinton. And words to remember in the last paragraph quoted below.
"Bill Clinton and Alan Greenspan added their efforts to strengthen what had begun under President Reagan. President Clinton signed into law welfare reform, so people actually have to look for a job before being eligible for welfare. He ended the "retirement test" for Social Security benefits (a huge tax cut for elderly workers), pushed the North American Free Trade Agreement through Congress against his union supporters and many of his own party members, signed the largest capital gains tax cut ever (which exempted owner-occupied homes from capital gains taxes), and finally reduced government spending as a share of GDP by an amazing three percentage points (more than the next four best presidents combined). The stock market loved Mr. Clinton as it had loved Reagan, and for good reasons.
The stock market is obviously no fan of second-term George W. Bush, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ben Bernanke, Barack Obama or John McCain, and again for good reasons.
These issues aren't Republican or Democrat, left or right, liberal or conservative. They are simply economics, and wish as you might, bad economics will sink any economy no matter how much they believe this time things are different. They aren't."
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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
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10-30-2008
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Is he correct? When I'm out about town, my eyes say he is .... or there's a heck of a lot of people window shopping.
RealClearPolitics - Articles - Obama's Economic Mythology
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Well, Rick should be a happy camper today, we finally had a quarter of negative growth. Now he's halfway to an official recession.
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Which would you rather have, a 401k (or similar), or a government retirement account getting 3%?
Why Democrats Will Target the Investor Class in 2009 - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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