We have disaster plans in my job. Not just one, but so many it makes my arms hurt to pick up the binder. We are supposed to know them all, yeah right. The brass gives us drills on it every month, like its their period or something. The guys in the field all know that when the poop hits the stoop, we are on our own. Follow your immediate boss, take care of whats in front of you, move on, and don't expect help from anyone. So much money being thrown into it. But it all comes down to luck and common sense. Darwinism.
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At the risk of being accused of many pc sins, I would posit that the main difference can be found in the population of both areas, as well as the economic situation.
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Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
All you guys making comparisons between Katrina & the California fires are blatant racists. You are trying to blame those poor people of NO for their problems when we know it was ALL Bush's fault.
The governor of La had nothing to do with the problems of NO nor did any of the other politicians with thousands of dollars of cash in their freezers.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves for thinking those kind of thoughts.
The only thing I don't understand is how could the voters of LA. vote a republican into office after all that Blanco did for them.
Well it appears that the blame game has started, No Xort, I'm not talking about you, and I think everybody realizes that was tongue in cheek. I think the point is whatever race-I always thought there was only one race, human- that those who have been made more dependent on government for everything seem to fare much worse in any kind of crisis.
But now, it's because of global warming (irrelevent that these fires and winds have been around for thousands of years), because we have troops in Iraq, because we didn't have enough air power dropping water-ever see a helicopter when it hits a 100 mph downdraft? Etc., etc.
The fact is, home construction is encroaching on wilderness areas, environmentalists won't allow controlled burns or cutting down of dry timber, and some counties, Orange, for example haven't spent the money for fire supression that they should have. Too busy taking care of illegal aliens. Orange has one bulldozer and I think 3 trained brush crews. LA put up the bucks, has over 30 dozers and 48 brush crews. More Helicopters, water tankers, etc. Financing for this was on the ballot a few years back, and the people of LA overwhelming approved the cost.
This happens every year, but the politicians need the face time on TV, and are making their claims against whoever they think they can get away with. That is until they're called on it, and they are.
And they've just declared today that the Santiago fire is arson. Obviously it was global warming that made the person set the fire. Or maybe anger over Iraq, or maybe............ ad nauseum.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Harry Reid said that the fires were caused by global warming; then...6 minutes later when questioned by a reporter about his statement, he said he didn't say that!
Now Boxer is flip flopping on her statement that it's bush's fault.
So what you're saying Phallo is that the wealthy, the hard working, the highly motivated people in the upper tax brackets can take care of themselves? But the welfare queens, ganstas, unemployed and broke folks can not? Or will not?
Just so I'm clear on this and all. Though I may already know the answer............
C'mon phallo153 this isn't a democrat roundtable, everybody's opinion is welcome to contribute to the general understanding. If anybody makes fun of you're post, OK, that's part of the game, don't run away and delete something you thought was so important you had to post it. Probably as many agree with you as disagree, well that is, unless it was really dumb. But I've posted my share of dumb comments too, ask anybody, ask Alex.
PBzeer, out here whenever there's Santanas forecast, the arsonists stock up on matches and go wild knowing it will cause some major damage. We do have our share of kooks.
The differences between the two situations are vast - and go well beyond merely the differences in the populations. I would think that would be quite obvious, but I suppose if someone makes a post like this, they probably don't have the intelligence to sort out the differences:
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Let's put it this way, for our slower listeners out there. We Cali Boyz and Girlz know how to get **** done. Period. We're not the 8th most vibrant econmy in the f'ing world for being lazy slack-offs. None of that meee-ooowing around waiting for the useless Uncle to show up and hand out tv's, cigarettes and cheese burgers. And does anyone know why this is? 'Cuz we've got balls, intelligence, moxie, caring people and WAY too much time, energy and money invested in this place. If you give a **** about yourself, your family and your neighbors, then you do something immediately instead of waiting for the playground monitor to come and tell you it's time to go back to room 13.
I'm not making excuses for the deplorable way in which New Orleans has managed its recovery. It makes me sick and I got pissed off enough about it to move out of the city.
However the scale and the nature of these two disasters are completely different, as are the resources, skill level, and character of those in charge of addressing it. Also, many of the victims in this case are in large part better equipped to deal with what's happening than those in New Orleans.
On one hand there's Malibu and its upscale environs and on the other there's the - hey, I'll say it - mostly black, mostly very poor lower class of New Orleans. Remember, those with the means and the sense to get out of the way of Katrina did, in large part, get out of the way. These are the same people that went about putting their lives and their families lives quietly back together without waiting for a handout from FEMA.
From a socio-cultural and political standpoint, this is absolutely a discussion worth having - on many, many levels. If you can't articulate it better than Rick LaPaz, though, you can kiss my ass.
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