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Impeach Bush

This ought to keep you gulpers of the Bushite Kool-Aide going for a while:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...onsbox1&sub=AR

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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.


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Touche,,,,BUt if Bush gets impeached we get Chaney,,,who is far worse,,,although he is really running things
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yes - but at least he can "talk gooder" than bush.
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Then, at least, we'll have a Fascist in Chief rather than the current figurehead Idiot in Chief.

However, if Bush gets impeached, there's a very strong case for impeaching Dick as well.. so then leadership would fall to the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
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Touche,,,,BUt if Bush gets impeached we get Chaney,,,who is far worse,,,although he is really running things
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Accounts are that Chaney and his hinchman Scooter Libby were behind the twisting of the CIA intelligence reports that led up to Colin Powell's unfortunate embarrassment surrounding his speech at the UN 6 weeks before the invasion. Yes, Chaney would be next in line to be impeached.

By the way, just what was the tally of the UN vote authorizong the invasion???? I seemed to have misplaced that information. Some of you so cavalierly throw out the Hussein violations of the UN sanctions against him as sufficient reason for the invasion, so it would be interesting to see who voted for what when the UN authorized the war.
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Even though George McGovern apparently has Altzheimer's i think you guy's should still send him some money, lot's of money, to help get his message out. It's going to take a lot of money because you're going to want to recall the Congress that approved all of his actions as well. Once again George McGovern proves that he reached the apogee of his usefulness to the American people over the wartime skies of Germany. McGovern was apparently better at following directions than determining directions.

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Thanks for the link. It's nice to know that there's someone out there as obtuse as SailingDog. I can't wait for the lastest sophistry from Jimmy Carter. Or is he someone who's fecklessness the American people may still remember? It's got to be tough for the Washington Post Op-Ed page, when everything they've said over the last 6 years has been proven wrong. If they had a better sports page they wouldn't need to reduce themselves to running pre-cut fish wrap.

You guys are really going to enjoy the next Republican administration. While you were consulting the oracle of the sixties, your party disposed of any electable canidates. Why do the liberals insist on consuming their party from within? Senator McGovern's wise counsel, and presidential bid, put Nixon in the White House once, and then managed to ensure that American's became well acquainted with the term "Blame America First". 'Nigh on forty years and still the same looneyness; it's going to be a cold November in some camps.
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I just copied this from wikipedia (for what its worth)

Positions of UN Security Council members

United States - The US maintained that Iraq was not cooperating with UN inspectors and had not met its obligations to 17 UN resolutions. The US felt that Resolution 1441 called for the immediate, total disarmament of Iraq and continued to show frustration at the fact that months after the resolution was passed Iraq was still not disarming. Language in Resolution 1441 recalled that the use of "all means necessary" was still authorized and in effect from UN Resolution 678, and therefore maintained that if Iraq failed to comply with the "one final chance to comply" provision of resolution 1441, then military action would be the result.
United Kingdom - Within the United Nations Security Council, the United Kingdom was the primary supporter of the U.S. plan to invade Iraq. Tony Blair, the British prime minister, publicly and vigorously supported American policy on Iraq, but was perceived by some to exert a moderating influence on the American president George W. Bush. British public opinion polls in late January showed that the public support for the war was deteriorating. It had fallen from 50% to 30% by March.
France - On January 20, 2003, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We think that military intervention would be the worst possible solution," although France believed that Iraq may have had an ongoing chemical and nuclear weapons program. Villepin went on to say that he believed the presence of UN weapons inspectors had frozen Iraq's weapons programs. France also suggested that it would veto any resolution allowing military intervention offered by the U.S. or Britain. The most important French speech during the crisis was made by De Villepin at the UN Security Council on the February 14, 2003, after UN Chief Inspector Hans Blix presented is detailed report (see below). De Villepin detailed the three major risks of a "premature recourse to the military option", especially the "incalculable consequences for the stability of this scarred and fragile region". He said that "the option of war might seem a priori to be the swiftest, but let us not forget that having won the war, one has to build peace". He emphasized that "real progress is beginning to be apparent" through the inspections, and that, "given the present state of our research and intelligence, in liaison with our allies", the alleged links between al-Qaeda and the regime in Baghdad explained by Colin Powell were not established. He concluded by referring to the dramatic experience of "old Europe" during WWII. This "impassioned" speech "against war on Iraq, or immediate war on Iraq", won "an unprecedented applause", said Sir David Frost (BBC News). The complete text is available at the Embassy of France in the United States. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov also garnered unusual applause inside the chamber with his speech against the war. Britain and the U.S. sharply criticized France for this position in March, 2003.
Germany - On January 22, German chancellor Gerhard Schröder at a meeting with French president Jacques Chirac said that he and Mr. Chirac would do all they could to avert war. At the time, Germany was presiding over the Security council.
Russia - On the same day, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said that "Russia deems that there is no evidence that would justify a war in Iraq." On January 28, however, Russia's opinion had begun to shift following a report the previous day by UN inspectors which stated that Iraq had cooperated on a practical level with monitors, but had not demonstrated a "genuine acceptance" of the need to disarm. Russian President Vladimir Putin indicated that he would support a US led war if things did not change and Iraq continued to show a reluctance to completely cooperate with inspection teams. However, Putin continued to stress that the US must not go alone in any such military endeavor, but instead must work through the UN Security Council. He also stressed the need for giving the UN inspectors more time.
China - The People's Republic of China supported continued weapons inspections. On January 23, the Washington Post reported that the Chinese position was "extremely close" to that of France.
Angola - Angola supported continued inspections, but had not taken a stand on disarmament by military action.
Bulgaria - Bulgaria suggested that it would support the use of military force to disarm Iraq, even without UN backing.
Cameroon - Cameroon encouraged the continued inspections, but had not taken a firm stand on whether the country would support a US led strike to invade Iraq.
Chile - Chile indicated that it would like inspections to continue, but had not taken a position on the use of military force to disarm Iraq.
Guinea - Guinea supported further inspections, but had not taken a position on the use of military force to disarm Iraq.
Mexico - Mexico supported further inspections, and indicated that it would support a US led military campaign if it were backed by the UN. The country hinted that it might consider supporting a military campaign without UN backing as well. President Vicente Fox heavily criticized the war when it started.
Pakistan - Pakistan supported continued inspections.
Syria - Syria seemed to feel that Iraq was cooperating and meeting its obligations under UN resolutions. Syria would have liked to see UN sanctions on Iraq lifted.
Spain - Spain supported the US's position on Iraq and supported the use of force to disarm Iraq, even without UN approval.
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I'm not a big fan of GWB, but.. George McGovern?? Hardly a scholarly treatise. Op-Ed, your kool-aide to fight their kool-aide. Giu's spy is probably the only one who knows the truth
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I read the article, just a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel IMHO. Don't you guy's ever question statements that are obviously just thrown in for the benefit of the true believers (those who will never question something they want to believe is true)? As Halekai pointed out, if you are going to seriously debate impeachment of President Bush, the question of Congress approving his actions might be something you want to consider.

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