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Bio Diversity at it's best

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science....ap/index.html

Now there's diversity, once again the talking heads don't know what to do, but aren't afraid to talk anyway.

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The world's rush to embrace biofuels is causing a spike in the price of corn and other crops and could worsen water shortages and force poor communities off their land, a U.N. official said Wednesday.


Workers in North Sumatra pile up palm oil fruit, which can be used to make biofuels.

Speaking at a regional forum on bioenergy, Regan Suzuki of the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization acknowledged that biofuels are better for the environment than fossil fuels and boost energy security for many countries.

However, she said those benefits must be weighed against the pitfalls -- many of which are just now emerging as countries convert millions of acres to palm oil, sugar cane and other crops used to make biofuels.

"Biofuels have become a flash point through which a wide range of social and environmental issues are currently being played out in the media," Suzuki told delegates at the forum, sponsored by the U.N. and the Thai government.

Foremost among the concerns is increased competition for agricultural land, which Suzuki warned has already caused a rise in corn prices in the United States and Mexico and could lead to food shortages in developing countries.

She also said China and India could face worsening water shortages because biofuels require large amounts of water, while forests in Indonesia and Malaysia could face threats from the expansion of palm oil plantations.

"Particularly in the Asia-Pacific region, land availability is a critical issue," Suzuki said. "There are clear comparative advantages for tropical and subtropical countries in growing biofuel feed stocks but it is often these same countries in which resource and land rights of vulnerable groups and protected forests are weakest."

Initially, biofuels were held up as a panacea for countries struggling to cope with the rising cost of oil or those looking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The European Union, for example, plans to replace 10 percent of transport fuel with biofuels made from energy crops such as sugar cane and rapeseed oil by 2020.

But in recent months, scientists, private agencies and even the British government have said biofuels could do more harm than good. Rather than protecting the environment, they say energy crops destroy natural forests that actually store carbon and thus are a key tool in the fight to reduce global warming.

Some of those doubts were on display Wednesday at the U.N. forum, with experts saying many countries in Asia have rolled out plans to mandate biofuels for transport without weighing the potential risks.

Thailand, for example, is considering delaying the introduction of diesel blended with 2 percent biofuel for two months until April because of palm oil shortages, while the Philippines is considering shelving a biofuels law over concerns about the negative environmental effects.

India is facing criticism that its plans to plant 30 million acres of jatropha trees by 2012 for biofuel could force communities from their land and worsen deforestation. There are also concerns that it will be unable to find the 100 million acres of vacant land it needs to grow the shrub-like plants.

Varghese Paul, a forest and biodiversity expert with the Energy and Resources Institute in India, said dependence on a single species is dangerous.

"An outbreak of pests and diseases could wipe out entire plantations in one stroke," Paul said
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An addendum to Chuckles' post:

"Der Spiegel Online reports that a 2006 barley shortage will raise the wholesale price of German beer this May. Many brewing industry lobbyists attribute the price rise to farmers forgoing barley for corn in order to satisfy the global demand for biofuels, especially from the United States. In the past year, the price of barley has doubled on the German market, from €200 to €400 per ton."

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4516
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Bast@rds!
If beer prices go up more people will drink rum, and then there will be a shortage of rum.
I'm going to start stockpiling now.
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It's worse than you think, chuckles! Once they finally realize that ethanol from corn is not efficient, they may finally realize what does produce sugar for fermentation more effectively: sugar cane! (and sugar beets, but they don't have the cache to make it in the press)

The beer drinkers won't be drinking your rum, they'll be putting it in their cars!!!
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Chuckles: As the Reverend says, cane sugar is the best feedstock to make ethanol (see Brazil). First they took my beer, then they came for my rum, .....
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They should leave my rum alone.
I did my part, I traded in my gas guzzling Ford pickup for a car with a tiny 1.3 liter engine.
So what if it's a Mazda RX-8 with a 1/3 liter rotary engine and aftermarket cold air intake producing 260 hp of rubber burning joy?

So what if the truck averaged 22 MPG and the RX-8 gets me 19. I'm having fun and driving a smaller car. Only problem is it can't carry as much empty bottles before refills.
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Chuckles, this is the problem of trying to provide a universal solution to the problem. Biofuels make sense in some places, like Brazil, where you have a lot of arable land, water and the right climate. Brazil has been using bio fuels for decades. Probably more than half of the cars run on them and every new car has a "flex" engine that burns gas, alcohol or any combination of the two. By the way, someone had mentioned in another post that Brazil is cutting down forest to plant sugarcane. Not the case- it's mostly grown in the state of São Paulo, which cut its forests down long ago (save for some parts which are parks today). The solution is reducing our consumption of fuel in general (energy) and giving up on the idea of the combustion engine. Whatever we burn in them emits co2 and other nasties.
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Only a idiotic shell game would use food crops as a source of fermentable sugars. There are hordes of low-THC hemp plants that could provide lots of nice, oily biomass, with the advantage that it could be easily grown on land unsuitable for corn or other food crops.

Hence the name "weed".

But people are stupid, and scams like ethanol only hasten a coming crisis as the world is able to drive to empty supermarkets....
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Exactly my point. Local solutions. Hemp may be the perfect source of biodiesel for Canada and not at the expense of growing food crops, although I really doubt biofuels with take food off the shelves. There isn't a shortage of food or land in the world, at least for the time being. Biofuels do drive up the prices of corn and soya which makes a lot of our food more expensive. This applies to people all over the world, whether or not their local economy produces biofuels. On the bright side, farmers are doing very well here!
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Hence the name "weed".

But people are stupid, and scams like ethanol only hasten a coming crisis as the world is able to drive to empty supermarkets....
Hmm I doubt I would put weed in my car, it smokes enough already....and wouldn't want to be responsible for driving something that smells like a bong...

But seriously, look up Willy Nelsons eco gas plant. They actually had to shut down the bio plant because farmers were either getting higher prices due to the market seeing it as demand or the farmers that could grow were being paid not to by that subsidy program we fund....and here is the rub - they do not need the actual corn the husks and stalk that they burn away is enough to produce...

But even if Bio production ramps up - it will always be the same or near the price as oil.
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