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What the hell was that all about???

Hockey season ends and the baseball players start attacking each other.

No love lost in Boston tonight.


Next morning:
As I reflected on the dust-up at Fenway last night, I started wondering if there isn't something in the air or maybe CD is right about the moon.

What's going on?
Everyone seems to have a very short fuse around here too.
Now I see that Alex is upset.






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I must agree that last night's game was one of the most bizarre I've seen. There was certainly lots of tension among the players - both opposing and team mates.

Coco Crisp should not have approached Shields' mound. In spite of Shields' obvious intentional body pitch to Crisp, it was totally bad form of him to storm the mound and start swinging. Of course, Shields hit him in retaliation of Coco's hard slide to 2nd baseman Iwamura during Wednesday's game - which seemed to start the feud. Both Shields and Crisp were ejected.

It was a nutty game and tensions mounted higher after Jacoby Ellsbury and Ramirez exited with injuries. There was even a brawl in the sox dugout with Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis after Youlk said some sny remark to Manny since he was the last one leaving the dugout to dogpile on Shields.

The moon may very well have been in a bad phase.
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I'm not too surprised or upset that Coco charged the mound. Pretty much to be expected. Although he really should have just taken it and moved on. It was just a shot to the hip after all.

I have a bigger problem with the way Shields tried to land a round house instead of just trying to defend himself. And the way Gomes piled on and started swinging made it look like a street fight between a couple of gangs.
Mrs. Knothead, who is just starting to like watching/listening to baseball was appalled. I kinda was too.

Anyway, I bet the Rays are glad to get out of Boston. It's was a pretty costly trip.
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Joe Henderson: "Worth the fallout for Rays"

By JOE HENDERSON
Published: June 7, 2008
Was it worth it?
Was it worth having Carl Crawford, James Shields, Akinori Iwamura, Edwin Jackson and Jonny Gomes suspended? Was it worth essentially conceding a game where the Rays trailed by only two runs in just the second inning?
Was it worth the risk that Shields could have busted up his shoulder? Or that someone else could have been hurt in the scrum that took place in the center of the infield Thursday night at Fenway Park?
Sure it was.
Shields' only sin was his failure to follow Kevin Costner's immortal advice from the movie "Bull Durham." Shields used his pitching hand to throw the first punch when Boston's Coco Crisp charged the mound Thursday night. Never, ever use your pitching hand as a weapon when confronted by a charging fool.
Remember the spring training brawl the Rays had with the Yankees? Six weeks into the regular season the Rays were still looking back on that as a moment where they announced to the world they weren't going to take it any more. The climax to the Boston Knee Party has the potential for similar carryover.
"I have no problem with the way our guys handled things," an unrepentant Joe Maddon said Friday from Texas, where the Rays were preparing to play the Rangers. "We did not initiate any of this. It's almost the code of the playground or the code of family - you protect your own.
"It's the way with life in general. When you feel you're being attacked, you have to protect your own."
Maddon is correct on a major point. The Rays did not initiate this.
Blame It On Coco
Crisp is the guilty party.
I'm not sure what he was complaining about when he jammed his hand into the knee of Rays' shortstop Jason Bartlett, which was being used to block Crisp's path to second base. Crisp said Bartlett violated some code with the "shady" play - his term - and vowed revenge.
That was just plain silly.
When did it become against the code to keep a runner from having easy access to the base? What Bartlett did on that play was no different than a catcher blocking home plate.
In the series last month at St. Louis, Cardinals' first baseman Albert Pujols essentially did the same thing - blocking the bag when Evan Longoria tried to get back to the base. Longoria was called out. Great play by Pujols.
Anyway, you know what happened. Crisp threw a roll block into Iwamura on his next trip down the second base line - a truly dirty, dangerous play - and that set up Thursday's brawl. It was baseball street justice, and it's as old as the game. Shields didn't throw at Crisp's head or try to hurt him. He sent the proper message with a pitch that hit Crisp on the thigh.
You can understand the argument that Shields shouldn't have done it. The Rays trailed 3-1 in the second inning at the time, and there was a near certainty he would get ejected for hitting Crisp. It forced Maddon to run through a tired bullpen, which figures to get a lot more tired this weekend against the Rangers.
It had to be done, though, consequences be hanged.
"I'm on board with all of it," Maddon said.
Rough Start To The Trip
No team gets through a six-month baseball season without a bloody nose or two along the way, and the Rays just got one.
Carlos Pena broke a finger and went on the disabled list. They got the tar kicked out of them all three games in Boston and fell from first place with nearly a week on the road still to go. Now they have to scramble to fill gaps that will be left with the suspensions.
That's bad.
Failing to respond immediately, as Shields did - plunking Crisp, a serial complainer, the first time he stepped to the plate - would have been worse. You could lose more than the game. If you're James Shields, you don't leave that job to someone else.
It's old-school thinking, and everyone in the game understands that.
"It's done now," Maddon said. "That's the beauty of it. As far as we're concerned, it's over."
We'll see about that. Boston comes to the Trop on June 30 for a three-game series. When that time arrives, though, the Rays won't need to be looking over their shoulder.
They still have to figure out a way to beat the Red Sox, but at least everyone knows the Rays won't be pushed around.

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The Ray's are finally home again. What a tough road trip that was.
They start this home stand 2-1/2 games behind the Red Sox.
The Marlins are in town for three days before the Cubbies arrive. I'm kinda worried about that series. Boston arrives Monday the 30th for their retribution.

I have been having baseball withdrawals. Those west coast games are way past my bed time.

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The Ray's are finally home again. What a tough road trip that was.
They start this home stand 2-1/2 games behind the Red Sox.
The Marlins are in town for three days before the Cubbies arrive. I'm kinda worried about that series. Boston arrives Monday the 30th for their retribution.

I have been having baseball withdrawals. Those west coast games are way past my bed time.

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HEY KNOTHEAD,
do me a favor and beat the Cubs again!
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HEY KNOTHEAD,
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I'm pretty sure that they are going to give it their best shot. Shields is very anxious to get back out there after the suspension.

I would just like to see Boston lose a few dammit.

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