Simon left in time... :)

[knothead]

Originally Posted by ebs001

Knothead, according to the definition you gave gay relationships would be normal because they 'occur naturally' - definition # 3

ebs001,
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that point.
I don't believe that it is any more natural than pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia or various other forms of unusual sexual practices. Does the simple fact that it occurs make it natural?
By the way, I am not equating homosexuality with the examples that I mentioned. But the fact remains there has been periods in history and cultures that practiced such things and probably considered them "normal". I don't. Just my opinion.

Steve

[erps]

But the fact remains there has been periods in history and cultures that practiced such things and probably considered them "normal". I don't.

Good point and that argument works for both sides. I don't think homosexuality is normal. Are we in a transition period now? Maybe in another generation or two, it will be viewed as normal.

The issue I find interesting that I think we'll be confronting in the future, is if the genetic science folks find a gene for homosexuality. Will manipulating that gene to get a desired result be considered a cure?

[ebs001]

Knothead, we are getting hung up on words rather than points. My question to SA was "what is wrong with normalizing homosexual relationships?". SA said he was concerned with normalizing their relationship. SA's statement implies their relationship can be normalized and I simply want to know why that bothers him or anyone else for that matter.

[tdw]

Originally Posted by erps

Good point and that argument works for both sides. I don't think homosexuality is normal. Are we in a transition period now? Maybe in another generation or two, it will be viewed as normal.

The issue I find interesting that I think we'll be confronting in the future, is if the genetic science folks find a gene for homosexuality. Will manipulating that gene to get a desired result be considered a cure?

My belief is that its not all that cut and dried.

Too much diversity amongst gays and straights for that to be the case, IMHO.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by ebs001

Knothead, we are getting hung up on words rather than points. My question to SA was "what is wrong with normalizing homosexual relationships?". SA said he was concerned with normalizing their relationship. SA's statement implies their relationship can be normalized and I simply want to know why that bothers him or anyone else for that matter.

The debate has raged, since the Anita Bryant days, over the normalization of homosexuality. Ms Bryant's concern, and mine, was that the homosexual movement wanted openly homosexual teachers in the schools. To that end, they desired that homosexuality be regarded as simply a "lifestyle". A lifestyle equal to the heterosexual lifestyle and one that young people should not be hesitant to adopt. Homosexual marriage is just the next step in attempting to normalize homosexuality. That is to say, classify it as normal behavior. I find the proposition ludicrous.

It's really not germane to the argument that homosexuality has existed for millenia. The argument is over whether the behavior is normal and desirable in society. Likewise genocide has existed for millenia; we'd hardly wish to classify it as normal, desirable, or just another lifestyle choice.

[sailaway21]

Here's a damn good article on why this isn't just a matter between Adam and Steve. Some pretty good examples of how it will effect you and I.

Maggie Gallagher on Gay Marriage & California on National Review Online

[sailaway21]

Denied the fundamental necessities of life, such as marginally provided for by such neanderthal states as California, the Queen's queers have taken to the streets. At this reporting it is unclear on what effects this may have on either the landscape equipment industry or, for that matter, hedgehogs. From the sailnet-yurrup desk:
Plans to clear undergrowth from gay sex spot branded discriminatory - Telegraph

[camaraderie]

LOL...."gay rights group has opposed the move, claiming that cutting back the bushes was "discriminating" to homosexual men who used the area for late night outdoor sex known as dogging."

Now we know how the Dawg got his name!!

[sailaway21]

Are you referring to the Sailingdog of, "SD and the Catamites"?

[sailaway21]

I'd expect a heavy turn-out at the California polls this November irrespective of the attractiveness of the presidential candidates. The California Supreme Court, a wholly owned subsidiary of WB's Looney Tunes Productions, has cleared the way for the ballot initiative in November's polls. Proposition 8's outcome will either leave the ruling of the high court as the law in California or outlaw homosexual marriage within the state.

Californians cleared to vote on same-sex marriage ban - CNN.com