The US should be more liberal, like Canada

[Cruisingdad]

HEHEHEHEHE!

That is all I am going to say about this thread and turn my comments where they are really appreciated (like the Bakken thread!!!).

HEHE!

- CD

[Plumper]

I am enjoying being the devils advocate and reading the responses.

I find it interesting how many of you fathers apparently rule with an iron fist and have perfect offspring. I find the aggressive dictator type responses most revealing.

-I would have sentenced the little **** to Juvenile Hall
-I get to decide what the punishment is
-No crapola, judge wants to tell me how to raise my kid
-in the midwest US we can and do impose any punishment that we as parents deem fit
-When the robed one appeared, I would have stated to Hizzhonor....
-I reminded him that he was 13 and that I OWN him

Then there are voices of reason...

-This case isn't precisely as it seems, because there are obvious gaps in the story

[poopdeckpappy]

And just what has my "dictator type responses" revealed too you ??

[Freesail99]

Come on now, you must know, it isn't the rule with an iron fist but the threat of the iron fist.

[danjarch]

plumper, You might want to be careful playing in this game. I knew a girl who called cps a couple of times to report her parrents for abuse just to get out of punishment. Last I heard she was knocked up at 17 and had a drug problem.

My little brother tried that on my parents once. The state came out a filed a report. Long and short, my father was told there were no signs of abuse and the state wasn't going to do any thing but be aware in the future that any one who pulls his record would see that an investigation was held. Told him it could explain why he didn't get certain jobs or was barred from joining certain groups.

The real kicker was when the officer told my father that he was pretty sure the whole the was a hoax, but that my dad would have to file a suit against the state to have the records supressed if he didn't want them to show.

This same crap is now causing havok with Florida state building contracts. Thanks to the passing of the jessica lunsford act all employies and subcontractors who build, work on, work in, or even deliver stuff to public schools have to be investigated. I know a few contractors that quit bidding school work because they couldn't get enough of they're crew past inspection. A lot of the flags where stuff like what Happen with my dad.

If you think I may have ignored the abuse I grew up with, Let me tell you my brother flat out lied, he even admitted to me that he was trying to get out of being grounded and thought that if this worked he could just theaten to call cps any time my parrents were being to strict in his opinion. That's what that one girl did, and it worked for her. Of course back in the day so to speak, the twisted stuff that children dreamed up and tried didn't have consiquinces that could haunt a man for years or even decades. A few years back my brother apologized to my parents for that and a few other things he pulled around that time.

But it aint the old days any more. Here in Texas I've already seen an attempt being made to chang the rules so you can punish students who make false allegations about they're teachers. Seems there are students who have made a false allegatations against more then one teacher. Mainly to either try and get they're teachers to increase they're grades or in some cases to get back at a teacher they don't like. As sone as allegations are made the teacher is suspended and often the press reports on the allegations put never follows up if the teacher is exsonerated.

This hurts the teacher reputation and has caused some of them to leave the field because they're peirs remained wary of them. Currently the students face no discipline even if it's proven that they made the whole thing up. Costing the tax payer plenty and undermining teachers. The saddest part is who knows how many students have gotten away with this blackmail because there surely are a few teachers who'd rather not go up against something like this and just bump up the student's grade or don't report that problem.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by Plumper

I am enjoying being the devils advocate and reading the responses.

I find it interesting how many of you fathers apparently rule with an iron fist and have perfect offspring. I find the aggressive dictator type responses most revealing.

-I would have sentenced the little **** to Juvenile Hall
-I get to decide what the punishment is
-No crapola, judge wants to tell me how to raise my kid
-in the midwest US we can and do impose any punishment that we as parents deem fit
-When the robed one appeared, I would have stated to Hizzhonor....
-I reminded him that he was 13 and that I OWN him

Then there are voices of reason...

-This case isn't precisely as it seems, because there are obvious gaps in the story

So, in your part of the world,
- who decides what the punisment is, if not you? Is there a government published guidebook for grounding your kids?
- why are parents not allowed to punish their kids as they deem fit? Are there no parents with good enough judgement to punish their kids without government intervention?
- at 13 years of age, is the child his own person with the ability to guide his own life without interference from adults? Are you not responsible for their every move, if not legally, morally?

This discussion reminds me of a great news magazine show I saw a few years ago. 20/20 or something like that. The show was about the concept of a "credible threat". They had 4 couples who were all overweight. The couples were made to wear swimsuits that were way too small. The women in bikinis, the men in nuthuggers. The couples were shown the pictures, then told that if they didn't lose a certain amount of weight by a certain date, the pics would be shown on national TV. Every couple was convinced that the pics would be shown, so it was a credible threat. The were given no diet to follow, no trainers, nothing. Just a threat. Every couple met the goal, no problem.

I get lots of compliments about what great kids I have. Smart, polite, mature, fun, great sense of humor are just a few of the things I hear. My wife and I can (rightly) take credit for them both being great kids.

My kids are great kids because for their entire lives they've been made to toe the line. As they get older, they know how to act like adults. When they screw up, they know that whatever punishment they've been told will happen, WILL happen. My boy screws up more than my daughter ever did, but he knows when he gets caught, he's going to get what's coming to him. To let him slide makes me a liar, and him much more likely to do it again. There must be credibility to the threat, and sometimes that means carrying out the threat, even if we don't want to. You also have to learn not to threaten anything you are unwilling to carry out.

I'm going to the lake now. I'll be looking forward to your response on monday.

[tigerregis]

POV's aren't worth a POS.

[sailaway21]

Ten year custody dispute? Anyone think that might have some relevance? (see the divorce thread)

I'm hoping the Canucks claiming Quebec syndrome are right. Given that the Human Rights Commissions are prosecuting people for just quoting Muslims now I'm not sure this matter is not symptomatic. Of course, I'm not exactly laughing; the authorities in Texas thought nothing of taking over 400 children into custody based on nothing more than a fake phone call and about half of America thought it was OK by them.

Parents who are strict with their children realise that they are their child's principle educators. They also realise that life as an adult is far stricter in it's consequences than childhood. It's far easier to learn those lessons as a child within the home than it is later amidst people who really don't give a damn about you.

Here's a good one. You know what they used to do with kids like that, who wouldn't abide by the rules of the house or society? They'd sent them to sea or the judge would sentence them to join the army. The foc'sle or boot camp usually made the picture clearer to the little miscreant's. Of course, that was in a much less enlightened age, we're soooo past that now.

I'll agree that we probably don't have all the details but I'll also not resist the impulse to mention that here we have yet another divorce that is proving so much better for the children concerned. What kind of people fight for ten years to win a battle only to lose the war?

The judge that gave the child standing is probably an ass.

Anyone who thinks that the same foolishness cannot happen south of the Canadian border hasn't been paying attention.

[sailaway21]

The tolerance movement of Canada rolls on, with the imprimatur of the UN, to the isle of Britain. Toddlers to be taught about human rights - Telegraph

Just for the record. This is not at all a sign of peoples and culture unsure of themselves or insecure in who and what they are; this is a sign of gullible nitwits who are possessed with the notion that their original thought is naturally more insightful than their fore bearer's. It's arrogance masquerading as insight and tolerance.

[Plumper]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

The tolerance movement of Canada rolls on, with the imprimatur of the UN, to the isle of Britain. Toddlers to be taught about human rights - Telegraph

Just for the record. This is not at all a sign of peoples and culture unsure of themselves or insecure in who and what they are; this is a sign of gullible nitwits who are possessed with the notion that their original thought is naturally more insightful than their fore bearer's. It's arrogance masquerading as insight and tolerance.

An insightful, tolerant and balanced post.