Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 (Introduced in House)

[Giulietta]

You better tell that to the donkey BWAHAHAHAA

[retclt]

97 percent of the country made it clear we did not want the bank bail out. The congress (9 percent approval rating) presented their middle finger to us and did it anyway. The new regime has a rubber stamp congress. Who here thinks this bill won't pass?

[sck5]

the level of paranoia on the right is simply amazing. Obama did not campaign on gun control. He has never said he wants gun control. The bill itself was introduced by REPUBLICANS. In fact, Obama has made it extremely clear he is not interested in returning to this kind of culture war issue when there are serious economic problems and two wars facing the country.

You guys are getting yourselves worked up over nothing. Just because the NRA works to get everyone excited during election season doesnt mean that anything real is going on.

And to preempt those kinds of comments, yes, I am a hunter and multiple gun owner.

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by xort

Are all those guns part of the ban???
Over/under shotguns? WTF? The 'assult' is on all guns of any type.

Originally Posted by sck5

Those arent all military guns - They have on that list the gun I shoot geese and ducks with (an autoloading shotgun) and also the gun I use in the local trap and sporting clays leagues (an over-under and in no sense either automatic or military). Also the gun I use to shoot racoons, rabid foxes or other nuisances as well as my deer rifle.

If you guys are referring-to "Appendix A," please note:

* `(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

*
o `(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms, specified in appendix A to this section, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;

But it's only a matter of time. The anti-gun people are determined, persistent, and have some pretty impressive funding. (Two of the biggest names in the anti-gun lobby here in the U.S. are actually "imports" from outside: Rebecca Peters [Wikipedia] is from Australia and Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros [Wikipedia].) They will not stop until they've achieved in the U.S. what they've achieived in the U.K. and Australia: Not just the elimination of so-called "assault weapons." Not just the elimination of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by law-abiding citizens, but totally stripping The People of their ability to defend themselves, their families, their neighbours, their property and their nation from predators.

Those interested in what could well happen here in the U.S., and what has happened in the U.K. and Australia, would do well to read Guns and Violence: The English Experience and To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right, by Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm. N.B.: These books are each interesting, easy reads, and real eye-openers.

Jim

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by Giulietta

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...the bullets do...ban bullets

You jest, but they're trying that, too. The gun-banners have been relatively unsuccessful, here in the U.S., of late, in banning firearms, so they figure they'll come through the back door: Make it prohibitively expensive or impossible to actually use them. Efforts such as serial-numbering ammo (there are so many things wrong with this concept it's hard to know where to start--but one imagines that's the point), "micro-stamping" fired cases (only slightly less inane), getting fully-jacketed bullets classified as "armor-piercing" , two-dollar-a-round taxes, seeking to ban or restrict reloading supplies, and so-on.

Speaking of "armor-piercing" bullets: The anti-self-defense types hope you'll miss logic failures like this: They seek to ban fully-jacketed bullets because they're "armor-piercing." Then, in the next breath, they seek to ban hollow-point bullets because they expand in thier targets, and don't pierce hard targets easily. Hello? What's left? Unjacketed lead bullets. But wait: It's easy to Dum-dum such bullets by sawing a cross or boring a hole into the leading end. So you know what has to come next, right?

Jim

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by sck5

the level of paranoia on the right is simply amazing.

Typical left-"liberal" intellectual superiority attitude. Anybody that does not subscribe to the "liberal" advocate's world view must be an ignorant, right-wing redneck who's simply "clinging to their religion and their guns." This kind of attitude is the kind of thing to which I referred in an earlier thead that makes me find so-called "liberals" much less tolerable than others. Geez, even religious terrorists are at least intellectually honest about their positions and their goals.

Btw: I'm no more "right wing" than is Barack Obama. That is: Unless you regard as "right-wing" anybody who's not a raving, left-wing whacko.

Originally Posted by sck5

Obama did not campaign on gun control.

In case you haven't noticed: No left-wing "liberal" has campaigned on gun-control for the last decade or so. That's because they realized gun-control was a political loser for them.

Originally Posted by sck5

He has never said he wants gun control.

That is patently and provably false. Here, ironically, is a factcheck.org piece designed to refute NRA's arguments: NRA Targets Obama, but if you actually read the item carefully, you'll find it actually confirms or fails to disprove all of NRA's claims!

President-Elect Barack Obama most-definitely is anti-gun and anti-self-defense, make no mistake. One hopes enough of his colleagues in Congress have enough sense not to follow his leanings on this issue.

Originally Posted by sck5

The bill itself was introduced by REPUBLICANS.

Which I noted way back.

Originally Posted by sck5

In fact, Obama has made it extremely clear he is not interested in returning to this kind of culture war issue when there are serious economic problems and two wars facing the country.

Yes, there are bigger fish to fry, but you'll excuse me for watching my back nonetheless.

Originally Posted by sck5

And to preempt those kinds of comments, yes, I am a hunter and multiple gun owner.

Not a very well-informed one, it would appear. Keep you head firmly buried in... the sand and you won't be either much longer.

Btw: Previously I noted billionaire George Soros' involvement in U.S. anti-gun efforts. Guess who was (is?) one of Barack Obama's biggest financial supporters?

It is really too bad the GOP lost its way, becoming slaves to radical right-wing religion and capitalism-without-conscience, for now we're faced with who-knows-how-many-years of left-wing "liberal" radicalism in government .

Jim

[sailaway21]

You were doing great there, Jim. Making a lot of sense and really layin' to coals on Lefty. Right up until you got to that last sentence. I'm not sure who you've been listening to but, whomever it is has yet to explain how those radical right wing religious types have been unable to install any of their agenda for all the taking down the river they've don to the GOP. Likewise those capitalists without conscience. Everybody knows they're all over, we just cannot name one.

The GOP lost it's way because it forgot what it's core principles are and started acting like the Democrat party. I'd offer the prescription drug benefit plan and no child left behind as examples of wasteful spending though there are innumerable more. I think that you'll find that an objective viewing of the Republican party as it currently stands is not distasteful for your above cited reasons, unless it was all along, but for reasons more similar to what I've mentioned.

And you might pause for a moment, only a moment is required, and give thanks that "some evangelical funnymentalist right wing Republican" was in the office of the presidency and had enough congressional support to confirm the last two Supreme Court justices or you might have found that the DC-gun ownership decision would have gone radically differently, resulting in DC gun policies coming to neighborhoods near us.

Oherwise, a fine diagnosis of liberalism's intolerance and close mindedness.

[erps]

I don't understand why there are republican names on this bill.

Maybe the legislation is just a fake, to stimulate the economy with assault weapon sales? I've seen several news reports that firearm sales are up. It's funny that the democratic party is the party of gun control, but they're also good for gun business. I hope that chaps their hide.

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

You were doing great there, Jim. Making a lot of sense and really layin' to coals on Lefty.

Thanks, Sway, but it isn't difficult, as you well-know .

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Right up until you got to that last sentence. I'm not sure who you've been listening to but, whomever it is has yet to explain how those radical right wing religious types have been unable to install any of their agenda for all the taking down the river they've don to the GOP.

Isn't that a bit like sck5's assertion that anti-gun "liberals" aren't anti-gun because they haven't succeeded in advancing their agenda the last few years? It isn't for lack of desire, my friend. I don't know what your position on, say, a woman's right to choose is, but, w/o going into detail, I generally support it. So do most people I know. How about stem cell research? There's one in which the so-called "religious right" has been successful. (Until recently, and mostly at the state level.) Or The War On Some Drugs? Admittedly, that last, in particular, isn't the sole domain of the right wing, but when's the last time you heard a so-called "conservative" advancing the cause of medical marijuana?

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Likewise those capitalists without conscience. Everybody knows they're all over, we just cannot name one.

Are you serious? They're everywhere. When's the last time you heard of a big company announcing they were going to move manufacturing or a call center or some-such into the country because it would be good for all--incl. themselves? Who do you suppose it was that convinced Congress that legalized gambling on Wall St. (aka: credit default swaps) was a Good Idea? Has it been left-wing commie pinko freaks that have been pulling down massive salaries, bonus' and golden parachute deals even while the ships they're commanding are sinking? Do you suppose it is radical environmentalists that have been fighting clean coal efforts and promoting things like toxic waste deep injection wells or selling landfill space to garbage haulers from Canada? (As if we didn't have enough of our own landfill material.)

Originally Posted by sailaway21

The GOP lost it's way because it forgot what it's core principles are and started acting like the Democrat party. I'd offer the prescription drug benefit plan and no child left behind as examples of wasteful spending though there are innumerable more.

Can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by sailaway21

And you might pause for a moment, only a moment is required, and give thanks that "some evangelical funnymentalist right wing Republican" was in the office of the presidency and had enough congressional support to confirm the last two Supreme Court justices or you might have found that the DC-gun ownership decision would have gone radically differently, resulting in DC gun policies coming to neighborhoods near us.

Agree. But don't forget this is the same Court that handed-down the infamous eminent domain decision.

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Oherwise, a fine diagnosis of liberalism's intolerance and close mindedness.

Thank you. As I noted: Ironically, it is the "liberals" I find the more intolerant.

Jim

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by erps

It's funny that the democratic party is the party of gun control, but they're also good for gun business.

They haven't figured-out the law of unintended consequences yet. Amazing, isn't it?

Originally Posted by erps

I hope that chaps their hide.

It probably would if they'd pull their heads out of their back-sides and notice the effect.

They also don't care to notice, probably because it runs counter to their perception of reality, that not a single credible study has ever shown a positive correlation between gun-control and crime.

Jim