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socialist money running out...

Today, in parliament, another running-out-of-money socialist chancellor outlined a putchase tax cut from 17.5% to 15%, ("stimulating demand, and imports) and announced that borrowing was to rise to £110 billion in the next year.

In the fine print is a pending rise in income tax to 45%, and rises in social security taxes will take that to nearer 57%.

The socialists have run out of money.

They are reverting to their old class-driven "redistribution" hype.

In 1979 the top rate of income tax was 83%, and top rate of investment tax, 98%. I kid you not.

Watch this space.
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But the Socialists will not understand the logic here... Maybe because all of them together are only using two brain cells between them all.
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Oh, and i suppose the USA's 10 Trillion dollar national debt, failing auto industries, crashing stock market, and a housing disaster are far more admirable.
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...In 1979 the top rate of income tax was 83%, and top rate of investment tax, 98%. I kid you not.

Watch this space.
I know an English guy who invented something big. You definitely have heard of it and it's sold in most hardware stores today. He was going to get a big check from a big company to buy the whole thing outright. He said no, wait a year. What did he do? He moved out of England, established residency elsewhere and THEN got his huge check.

Can't say I blame him. 98% was what the government was going to take.

Can you imagine??? No wonder there was a brain drain of everybody leaving England. Just watch the Socialists try to get the same amount (or more) money out of those left to pay. Huge disincentive to work hard, take risks and succeed.

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In the next 4 odd years, they are scheduled to borrow another £500 billion, next year £110 billion alone. There were gasps in parliament when that was announced.

Heaven help the people.... only 65 million of them..... when the tax bill arrives for that lot. We'll all be given a lifetime repayment plan, a plan that will do wonders for growth then. In parliament yesterday, it was to be 7 more years before the debt was to drop. It has been rising for the last 8, so that will make it 15 years socialist IOUs.

Isn't socialism wonderful?
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Oh, and i suppose the USA's 10 Trillion dollar national debt, failing auto industries, crashing stock market, and a housing disaster are far more admirable.
What's your point? If anything, America should learn the lesson that Britain isn't.
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Ah yes, unregulated greed and unlimited cheap leverage = Big numbers

numbers that make me want to

From Barry Ritholtz blog today ;

"I found that whenever I discussed the current bailout situation, people had a hard time comprehending the actual numbers involved. In doing the research for the Bailout Nation book, that was a problem. I needed a way to put this into proper historical perspective.
If we add in the Citi bailout, the total cost now exceeds $4.6165 trillion dollars. People have a hard time conceptualizing very large numbers, so let’s give this some context. The current Credit Crisis bailout is now the largest outlay In American history.
Jim Bianco of Bianco Research crunched the inflation adjusted numbers. The bailout has cost more than all of these big budget government expenditures – combined:
• Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
• Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
• Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
• S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
• Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
• The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
• Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
• Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
• NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion
TOTAL: $3.92 trillion
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That is $686 billion less than the cost of the credit crisis thus far.

The only single American event in history that even comes close to matching the cost of the credit crisis is World War II: Original Cost: $288 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $3.6 trillion
The $4.6165 trillion dollars committed so far is about a trillion dollars ($979 billion dollars) greater than the entire cost of World War II borne by the United States: $3.6 trillion, adjusted for inflation (original cost was $288 billion).
Go figure: WWII was a relative bargain.
I estimate that by the time we get through 2010, the final bill may scale up to as much as $10 trillion dollars…"

Mind you what this analysis does not take into account are:
1.The growth of the size of the american and world economies since 1930
2. how much of the estimated 4.6 trillion dollars is recoverable-- I have seen reports that state that the SL crisis cost about 800 million going in and at the back end the cost was 153 billion mentioned above-- so net cost of this bailout will be/ should be less than what is being estimated-- but they are still damn big numbers…..Lynn
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Help. I need a lobbyist fast! Heck, get me an army of lobbyists. They are giving the money to their friends.

Hmmm, force Fanny and Freddy to make bad loans, which helps your banking friends. Then instead of covering the loans (and maybe owning a few million houses to sell later), give bailout money to your friends. All while the media watches. And all while your own party that caused it all gets your inexperienced, fast talking socialist elected President!

Only in America. No wonder poeple are clamoring to get some physical gold.
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The borrowing has got to stop... not slow.... it must stop.

We cannot go on like this. There is no future in it.

These two nations are being urinated up the wall.
What is the point in saving?
Soon there will be little point in working. We will be enslaved to debtors.
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