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Conservatives vs. everybody else (Canada)

Wanted to share my thoughts on some current events in Canada (the ice-bound wastes lurking to the north of most of this forum's members).

First some background for those rare few of you who don't normally follow Canadian politics.

Last month, the Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, called an election. This means that all the seats in Parliament were up for grabs. The other parties based their campaigns on the same things that the Conservatives did (the economy and the environment, primarily), except that they also campaigned about how bad Harper was, each claim that he was the most capable of getting rid of him. I live in the Vancouver area, a particularly loony-left region, so around here we heard a lot about how vile a beast Harper was (of course, not nearly as much as we heard about how glorious a savior Obama was).

The situation didn't change much from what it had been before the election: Harper's party, the Conservatives, gained a few seats, slightly strengthening their minority government. The other parties were too busily vying for power among themselves to get a foothold.

But now, in a to-my-knowledge-unprecedented move, three of the other parties are forming a coalition to usurp power. There is a rule that, when there is a minority government, Parliament can put through some sort of petition to the Governor General (the Queen's appointed representative -- i.e. a figurehead's figurehead) to have the Prime Minister removed, or something like that.

This was apparently in response to Harper's decision to cut public funding of federal campaigns (currently they get $2 for each vote they got in the previous election).

I have been trying to figure out what is so horrible about Harper. In my research, I found that he sponsored quite a few handouts in his time. The things that people have complained about most recently was the above cut to public funding of campaigns, cuts to Canada's "arts and culture" federal grants, and cuts to university funding (the money was sent to trade schools instead).

What's the lesson here? Canadians (notorious for being confused about their national identity) are, by and large, moochers. Their country is a country of handouts. Anybody who even hints at holding back on some of the handouts is painted with a devil's brush. The country (so says the left) would have no culture whatsoever if the government wasn't paying for it, nor would the populace be educated in anything other than such ignoble subjects as plumbing or engineering or other profitable (a word more spit out than spoken) disciplines. The new "coalition government" would for the first time have the New Democratic Party (even more liberal than the Liberals) in places of nontrivial power (Finance Minister, for a particularly brilliant example).

I was invited to join a facebook group called "Canadians Against a Liberal/NDP Coalition Gov't". Following my Harper research, I declined to join, as I am loathe to be even indirectly lumped with the culture of moochers: I am not Canadian.
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Sounds to me like you can substitute the word "US Citizens" for "Canadians" in this entire thing you've just written and you'd be pretty much right (except for the PM being able to 'call an election' - at least they can't do that here, yet....)

Welcome to "Conservatism" - if indeed you just joined. (Sounds like you already had been enlightened!) haha
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Eh, maybe I'm foolishly optimistic, but I don't think America is that far gone yet. For one thing, I don't think Obama would have tried to pull a bureacratic coup of some kind had he lost the election (he's not Al Gore after all).

But more importantly, while I recognize that there are a lot of moochers in America (probably more than Canada has citizens) I still think that there's a sizable chunk of population -- if not the mainstream culture -- that believes it can do good things on its own with out taxpayer-funded subsidies. I think Americans should take a long hard look at Canada and decide whether that's a direction they want to go. Forget long wait times for health care -- imagine Hollywood waiting in line for funding and permission/produce softcore porn.
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you're a little late on the hollywierd issue. they get rebates from a lot of states. Michigan offers a 42% rebate to all qualified expenses (no porn).
Heck, Vancouver lured a lot of work away from LA with similar incentives. Waived all GST taxes plus gave some kind of rebate too.
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Maybe Hollywood is a bad example (more research required on my part apparently, though Vancouver is but the leftest example of Canada)... but the point stands that Canada's culture is identified by giving greater handouts (to her own citizens) than America does.
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Well must say Adamlein if your not Canadian what gives you the right to pass judgement on people who are Canadians. My comment to you is if you don't like the situation maybe you should consider leaving and finding your pot of gold some where else.
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Well must say Adamlein if your not Canadian what gives you the right to pass judgement on people who are Canadians. My comment to you is if you don't like the situation maybe you should consider leaving and finding your pot of gold some where else.
My status as a rational human being gives me the right to pass judgment on anything I choose, and I refuse to relinquish that right to avoid offending anybody's sensibilities.

If your question was really about what qualifies me to pass judgment, I consider the past eight years that I've lived in Canada to be sufficient.

As for your irony-ridden suggestion... maybe I should.
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I like Canada and I like Canadians..

I found not much wrong in my long time in Canada..except the weather...screw that...they are crazy to live there....

Canadians have an excellent beer, good food, and their women are big....very big...some are hairy too...

I like Canada....but it's too clod..

I think canadians have 3 problems:

they could have had:

1) American technology
2) French Cuisine
3) British Education

but eneded up with:

1) American education
2) British cuisine

and...

French technology


other than that...leave them alone..I like them..but the weather....no...

and their women are big....very big...and heavy....

and it's too cold....summer is on a thursday afternoon
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Well guess he should realize he is an invited guest then, and not bite the hand that feeds you.
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