AQ's answer to Obama

poopdeckpappy · #1 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009

So how that appeasement working for ya Barack, shall we start the body count now or shall we give them one more do over

Pakistan Hotel Bombing

Sorry guys, I got the wrong place and I can't move it

craigimass · #2 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009

I guess you forgot that Pakistan is our ally and we give them billions per year in aid - as per GW Bush and Lockheed Martin, etc........they are not the ones we were trying to appease!

So, should we attack Pakistan now...after GW called them our best friends and gave them billions, as well as "allowed" them to build up their nuke stockpile.

What's your solution?

Did Bush make a mistake putting up with Pakistan?

poopdeckpappy · #3 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009

I'm not going any further with this until TDW or CD moves it to the right forum ( sorry for putting it here )

in the meantime, you are allowed a do over, rethink what was the OP then rethink your response

danjarch · #4 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009

PD, thats as good as your going to get from him, no matter what happens it must be Bush's fault. Can't be Obama. Can't be that anybody else might be causing the problem, can't be that there are people out there who just don't want to play nice. Craigs like a broken record that way.

sailaway21 · #5 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009

The moron doesn't remember that Obama said he would attack Pakistan during the campaign.

Not that the article has much to do with us and Pakistan as it is about the Taliban push back against Pakistani Army operations.

poopdeckpappy · #6 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009

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Originally Posted by sailaway21

Not that the article has much to do with us and Pakistan as it is about the Taliban push back against Pakistani Army operations.

The taliban killed two birds with one stone with this bombing, they sent their message to the Pakistan Government yes but, they also sent one to Obama

You do realize we're closer to a nuclear armed AQ than we are to a nuclear armed Iran right now

mightyhorton · #7 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009

Poopdeck is right, the nuclear genie is almost out of the bottle. It ain't gonna be pretty. North Korea, Iran, AQ, Russia. But Craigimass asked a fair question, if you can get by not liking people that don't like Bush. What is your solution? Danjarch is right, there are people out there that don't wanna play nice, but what? Nuke 'em? And, Danjarch, your warning thingy? It is three sentences. The middle one is not a complete sentence. You might want to fix it.

And I missed something.... where or what is the appeasement you mentioned? I mean this seriously, not as something flip.

poopdeckpappy · #8 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009

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Originally Posted by mightyhorton

And I missed something.... where or what is the appeasement you mentioned? I mean this seriously, not as something flip.

Obama has made serveral speaches directed solely at the muslin population, speaches that were apologetic for our all our past actions in the world under past administrations, he has made comments to the Arab nations regarding Israel and Palistine leaning towards palistinians ( and was appluded for it ), he has indicated that Iran has a right to nuclear power ( and yet the US does not ), basicly saying anything he can to appease the muslims in a attempt to ease tentions with a group of people who veiw us as the satan of the world.

Those minds have not changed in 100's of years and he's not going to change them now, the Arab nations know that his speaches are ( to use a phase Obama has used ) " Just words ", Obama is veiwed as weak, the US is veiwed as weak ( yet again ), nobody respects weakness and our enemies will use this weakness to their advantage.

You asked for a solution and I don't know if there is one but, we can start by going back to our hard ball stance, stop this BS with the nasty letters from the UN or the harsh words of a empty suit we should seal our borders now, we should tap our resources now, put this green BS in the back seat until it proves to be viable not just pipe dreams and show some F'n strength before we get our asses kicked again. we need to let them know " You screw with us and we'll take you out ",

This BS with N.Korea needs to stop also, that next missle he's planning shoot off need to be shot down as soon as it leaves their air space, we need to act a little more like Israel when it comes to national security instead of dictating to them how they will handle Iran.

I'm a little tired of watching our colors run again

craigimass · #9 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009

Well, we showed our strength in Iraq to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars - will end up being over the Trillion.

And a car bomb blew up 20+ people today and wounded many more.

I don't see how violence and money fixed that problem. Iraq is very likely to descend into complete chaos again.

Problem is, we need solutions that work. War doesn't work - or at least it has not in the last 6 decades. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.....and who now owns us ? the Communist Chinese!

So, it's not working out in Pakistan where we made them our friend and gave them money. It's not working out in Afghanistan or Iraq where we bombed them back to the stone age AND gave them money.

So we are supposed to do more of the same and expect different results? Sure, sooner or later we will "succeed" for a few weeks, months or years. But the root problem is not solved.

Only economics, peace and understanding can solve the root problems. That does not mean military force is never needed, BUT when it is used it should be (and always has been) but one part of a political solutions.

Remember, War is a political act.....or at least it is supposed to be. It is not so we can feel good or extract "payback", despite the movies. I think we have lost sight of that. Even during the depths of WWI, FDR was planning for the end and for the political situation which would result. The result of that planning was success in democratic ideals in Germany and Japan.

Without a plan, nothing goes right....how can it? If you don't know where you are going, you can't get there.

The N. Koreans are the outcasts of the world. They are paying the price. We are clamping down upon them as we speak...along with much of the rest of the world. Hopefully, their "great leaders" will die or be overthrown, but until then we (along with others) have to simply make certain they don't leave their own sandbox. Luckily for us, their neighbors agree and together we have plenty of power to keep them in check...

Sailormon6 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-11-2009

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Originally Posted by craigimass

Well, we showed our strength in Iraq to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars - will end up being over the Trillion.

And a car bomb blew up 20+ people today and wounded many more.

I don't see how violence and money fixed that problem. Iraq is very likely to descend into complete chaos again.

You keep making these same criticisms of American foreign policy, but you've forgotten one thing - the facts have changed. President Bush is no longer President. He's no longer responsible for American foreign policy. President Obama is now the man who is continuing to spend billions on Iraq. If it was truly a mistake to go into Iraq, it is simply perpetuating that mistake for us to remain there, and yet, while President Obama continues to carry on President Bush's foreign policy in Iraq, Americans continue to die in Iraq. Where's your outrage at President Obama? During the campaign, candidate Obama promised "change," but as President, his policy in Iraq is the same. Heck, he's even using the same generals, and the same Secretary of Defense! Where's the chant, "Obama lied and people died!"

It does no good for you to continue your rant against war on this forum. The person who is in a position to do something about it is President Obama. Take your rant to him. It's time for this self-styled Messiah, the man who promised so much, to stand and deliver. So far, all I've heard from him and his apologists is some whining about how difficult these problems are. Duh! I thought that, with his understanding of all the nuances, he'd reason his way to the solution. I thought that, with his personal charm, all the world's leaders would follow him like lemmings wherever he wished them to go, and, that he'd sit down and reason with our friends and enemies alike, and they'd find his gravitas compelling. So far as I can tell, the world leaders are laughing at his inexperience and naievete.