weapons aboard?

[rikhall]

Originally Posted by SEMIJim

Nonsense! It's only you guys in the non-firearm-totin' girly countries where you're not allowed to have guns that don't like to talk about it.

Jim

Hire any of these three from our "girly" countries - the bad guys won't even get close:

1 - On November 2009, the longest range recorded for a sniper kill currently stands at 2,475 m (2,707 yd/1.5378 miles) and was achieved by CoH Craig Harrison, a sniper from the Household Cavalry of the British Army.

2 - On a March afternoon in 2002, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) regiment sniper Master Corporal Arron Perry killed an enemy combatant from 2,310 meters (2,526 yd/1.435 miles)

3 - Also on the same March afternoon in 2002, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) regiment sniperCorporal Rob Furlong killed an enemy combatant from 2,430 meters (2,657 yd/1.509 miles)

When you can nail them from that far away, you can be a "girly" as you want!

Proud of all the men and women who fight to keep the world free.

Lest we forget!



Rik (Nov 11, 2010)

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by rikhall

When you can nail them from that far away, you can be a "girly" as you want!

Right you are!

Originally Posted by rikhall

Proud of all the men and women who fight to keep the world free.

As well we should be.

Jim

[pistonbully]

Originally Posted by rikhall

Jim

Hire any of these three from our "girly" countries - the bad guys won't even get close:

1 - On November 2009, the longest range recorded for a sniper kill currently stands at 2,475 m (2,707 yd/1.5378 miles) and was achieved by CoH Craig Harrison, a sniper from the Household Cavalry of the British Army.

2 - On a March afternoon in 2002, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) regiment sniper Master Corporal Arron Perry killed an enemy combatant from 2,310 meters (2,526 yd/1.435 miles)

3 - Also on the same March afternoon in 2002, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) regiment sniperCorporal Rob Furlong killed an enemy combatant from 2,430 meters (2,657 yd/1.509 miles)

When you can nail them from that far away, you can be a "girly" as you want!

Proud of all the men and women who fight to keep the world free.

Lest we forget!



Rik (Nov 11, 2010)

And yet not one of these shots could be made from a bobbing sailboat.. And every one of them could have been made by any professional sniper in any armed service with the propper training and the right rifle.. So unless I can hire them and post them on a nice little island watching over me (Till i'm 1.5 miles out anyway) then I'll stick with my .45 auto side arm.

But,, those ARE awesome shots!

[mikieg]

I realize that folks involved in sailing are usually educated and financially secure types. Therefore, they are likely to be very liberal. Since i posted this thread, there has been yet another yacht boarded by criminals where the crew were all murdered. I bet if they were to be able to do it over again, there would be some form of self defense on board. I say, if you elect to not take responsibility for your own safety, then do not condemn those with the nerve that will.

[bljones]

Originally Posted by mikieg

I realize that folks involved in sailing are usually educated and financially secure types. Therefore, they are likely to be very liberal. .

Are we reading the same forum?

You don't spend much time in the "off-topic" section here, do you?

[CaptainMicktheSaltySailor]

You Left out TAZERS!
(Just don't be standin' in a puddle when You point that sucker!)

(& I wouldn't DREAM of travelling unarmed on the open seas...period. God Made Man...Sam Colt made us equal). Costa Rica has NO PROBLEM w/our FA's; go figure. They (and all the countries that allow them) have lower crime rates, in their marinas, in their territorial waters, and lower pirate counts by an exponential factor. When the coasties have boarded us and seen the 'ordnance', they've said (last was a CPO on the boarding party): "Thanks for making our lives easier".

I believe You're either a boy scout, or a potential victim...there isn't a fence to straddle on this issue. Nobody gets the keys to our boat (or our lives) w/o a fight; I'll shut up now.

[ftldiver]

yeah, guns are nice,

but what are you really going to do with a .308 against 3 boats and guys with RPG's

let alone a 12ga and a .45

now if you can get a m2 ...

[mikieg]

You are either a person that accepts responsibility for their own destiny and safety, or they choosing to be victims. It's really that simple.

[Lake Superior Sailor]

Large canister of xxx Bear spray , disguised as a fire extinguisher! Guaranteed to stop a charging grizzly at thrirty ft. But no guns. -Dale

[Capetinho]

Predictably, any discussion of weapons on board generates more smoke than light.

perhaps this really is a simple issue for a person who is professionally trained in the use of firearms and who sails only in U.S. waters. Its a much more complex decision however for those who sail in other jurisdictions, one that requires more than simply accepting responsibility for one's own personal safety. It involves determining the extent of the threat, evaluating the risks and implementing appropriate mitigating measures that are consistent with one's own capabilities in conjunction with applicable law.

Noonsite's 2011 piracy report (http://www.noonsite.com/General/Pira...acyReports2011 ) lists less than a dozen criminal incidents involving yachts in the Caribbean, excluding Venezuela and surrounding areas. Most were burglaries and all except one (in St. Lucia) occurred in St. Vincent and the Grenadines. In only one such incident would the use of a firearm have been appropriate.

Given the thousands of yachts that ply these waters on an annual basis, the threat of being confronted by an armed attacker appears statistically miniscule.

I have carried firearms professionally for the past 25 years and am currently certified on the Glock 9mm semi-automatic pistol, the H&K MP5 submachine gun and the H&K G36 5.56mm assault rifle. I carry the Glock on a daily basis and have access to others should the need require them, but carry none while sailing because I do not assess the risk to be sufficiently significant to justify the hassle.

I typically sail on other people's boats in jurisdictions which frown on the possession of firearms. If armed, I could either declare the weapons upon arrival in port and face havng them confiscated for the duration of my visit or carry them illegally and suffer the consequences of being found out. Neither of these options is acceptable to me, given my perception of the threat.

One can accept full responsibility for one's destiny and personal safety without involving firearms if one determines that there are more appropriate options given an objective evaluation of the overall circumstances.

To each their own.