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Really, REALLY bad news from Fukushima...

Plutonium, boy and girls, is often (debatably) considered one of the most toxic substance known to man. Its presence outside the buildings also is solid evidence that at least one of the reactor containment vessels has been breached (such a breach has been strongly suspected since early-on in this disaster). This is also added confirmation of the hypothesis that these reactors were severely damaged by the earthquake itself, and not just the tsunami.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...a-reactor.html
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This is such a sad thing! It's to the point with me, that I try not to follow the news.
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And just how did the radioactive Iodine get to Mass....and have the same level as Calif, some 3000 miles away...

someone needs to look at their facts, radioactive Iodine 131 has a halflife of 8 days or so......they better be looking in New England for the source ....
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Count the bodies before pontificating!
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60 attributable to Chernobyl so far . . .

Compare that to ~10 unintentional drownings per day in the US.

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And just how did the radioactive Iodine get to Mass....and have the same level as Calif, some 3000 miles away...

someone needs to look at their facts, radioactive Iodine 131 has a halflife of 8 days or so......they better be looking in New England for the source ....
"Half-life" means that half of the isotope in question remains after that period of time. If there was one gram at time zero, there will be half a gram after one half-life, 0.25g after two half-lives, 0.125g after three half-lives, et cetera. Even if all the 131-I from this disaster was produced on the first day, about 25% would still be around. Given that fallout (particularly lighter isotopes) spreads via the jet stream, significant amounts of short-lived isotopes (e.g., 131-I) can survive long enough to be detected thousands of miles from their source.
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Unfortunately, there will be health effects (including deaths) due to the radiation releases and fallout produced by this disaster for decades, if not centuries. Various international organizations have estimated the eventual death toll from Chernobyl to be between 5000 and 100,000+ (depending on whose numbers you believe). Additionally, there have been excesses in various heritable genetic abnormalities among folks from the evacuation zones around Chernobyl.
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Alternatively – “Our report involved 52 respected scientists and includes information never before published in English. It challenges the UN International Atomic Energy Agency Chernobyl Forum report, which predicted 4,000 additional deaths attributable to the accident as a gross simplification of the real breadth of human suffering.
The new data, based on Belarus national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl. The report also concludes that on the basis of demographic data, during the last 15 years, 60,000 people have additionally died in Russia because of the Chernobyl accident, and estimates of the total death toll for the Ukraine and Belarus could reach another 140,000.
The report also looks into the ongoing health impacts of Chernobyl and concludes that radiation from the disaster has had a devastating effect on survivors; damaging immune and endocrine systems, leading to accelerated ageing, cardiovascular and blood illnesses, psychological illnesses, chromosomal aberrations and an increase in foetal deformations.”
Chernobyl death toll grossly underestimated | Greenpeace International

The executive summary on pages 10-18 discusses the difficulties of obtaining data and thus determining the full effects. The language appears considered. It includes the following. “Any description which attempts to present the consequences as a single “easy to understand” estimation of excess cancer deaths (such as the figure of four thousand much publicized by bodies such as the IAEA during 2005) will therefore inevitably provide a gross oversimplification of the breadth of human suffering experienced. Moreover, much of the evidence presented in the current report indicates that such figures may also grossly underestimate the scale of impacts as outlined earlier in the text.”

Less simplistic than a simple figure which serves to minimalise the impact but worth reading for anyone wanting to be better informed.
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"of short-lived isotopes (e.g., 131-I) can survive long enough to be detected thousands of miles from their source."

Understood, but then don't you think there would be a noticeable difference in the levels between CA and MA...there wasn't according to the reports I read. The scientific fact is that +3000 miles and differences in the jet stream speed and direction (your info) should make for varied readings between the states in question.....

Plutonium...now that is a horse of a different color.
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As bad as all this power plant stuff is.....

we kill close to 50,000 people a year on our roads, with well over 50% (it is getting "better") being drunks....which tells me that 25,000 are easily preventable. Not to mention the medical costs of the other 25,000 and the outrageous insurance we all pay to support this insane process.

Why do we not bother with this, why does Greenpeace not do studies of this?
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