Where is Sailing Dog?

[tommays]

I gotten a lot of his posts over the years and still do at other places BUT much of it its value is diminished by the flame outs towards various people he thinks are idiots

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

Like I've said before- SD's knowledge is vast, but digging through his pile of vitriol to get to the nugget of knowledge underneath just isn't worth it. Especially when there are so many other experienced people willing to share their knowledge in a more civil fashion.

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

Threads like this are such a flippin' waste of time. The people that regret the loss will continue to regret the loss, those who don't will continue not doing so, and site policy will probably remain unchanged. This isn't a SailNet thing. This happens everywhere.

However, futile tho I know it to be, I will note this, BubbleheadMd: Your words have been said about multiple "personalities" that have departed SN. The result? SailNet was a damn sight more interesting and a damn sight more educational and useful four years ago than it is today. Did one have to step carefully around some members? Yeah. So what? That's life. I have to do the same thing at my Real Life sail club.

So keep shoving people like SD away because you find their manner abrasive on occasion. Eventually SN may become the pleasant, happy place you desire, devoid of strong opinion or harsh word. Devoid of useful content, too, but very... nice.

N.B. I have no insight into SD's alleged dissatisfaction with SN. Don't particularly care.

Jim

[BubbleheadMd]

Originally Posted by SEMIJim

Threads like this are such a flippin' waste of time. The people that regret the loss will continue to regret the loss, those who don't will continue not doing so, and site policy will probably remain unchanged. This isn't a SailNet thing. This happens everywhere.

However, futile tho I know it to be, I will note this, BubbleheadMd: Your words have been said about multiple "personalities" that have departed SN. The result? SailNet was a damn sight more interesting and a damn sight more educational and useful four years ago than it is today. Did one have to step carefully around some members? Yeah. So what? That's life. I have to do the same thing at my Real Life sail club.

So keep shoving people like SD away because you find their manner abrasive on occasion. Eventually SN may become the pleasant, happy place you desire, devoid of strong opinion or harsh word. Devoid of useful content, too, but very... nice.

N.B. I have no insight into SD's alleged dissatisfaction with SN. Don't particularly care.

Jim

You're right, threads like this are a waste of time and I did try to resist adding to it, and I failed.

Jim, you've got me wrong though mate. First of all, I don't feel that I should have to tip-toe around anyone. SN doesn't have to be a happy "Kum-bay-yah" kind of place, but let's get one thing straight- If a member is going to fire off their mouth-cannon, I would like the right to respond in-kind, and with SD, you didn't have that ability. He'd insult people, and then run and cry to the mods privately when anyone stood up to him.

This stifled debate and creativity because all arguments became one sided- his side.

I'm not shoving anyone away and if SD is the tough, brusque Maine'r that everyone thinks he is, then I had absolutely nothing to do with his departure. I didn't advocate his departure, but I didn't mourn it either.

[Maine Sail]

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

I'm not shoving anyone away and if SD is the tough, brusque Maine'r that everyone thinks he is, then I had absolutely nothing to do with his departure. I didn't advocate his departure, but I didn't mourn it either.

Please don't insult us "Mainers" SD is a Mass guy...

While it is sad to see him leave SN those of us who actually know him know that what he types is pretty darn close to how he speaks and his dry sense of humor does not translate well to the typed word. I have had to slap his hand or edit his post quite often on Sailboatowners.com where we take an even more strict approach to "be nice" and have "good manners".

That said I agree 1200% that he could stand to tone it down with the insults if he wants to be taken more seriously. He spends considerable time composing responses then has a tendency to emasculate them by being needlessly condescending. This condescending tone does not flow well with many, and especially would not read well unless you knew him personally, which most don't.

His tone does not bug me in the least as I know him personally so read his typing very differently than you would if you did not know him. He's a great guy with a good sense of humor and a vast knowledge, its just to bad it has come to this..

[BubbleheadMd]

Originally Posted by Maine Sail

Please don't insult us "Mainers" SD is a Mass guy... While it is sad to see him leave SN those of us who actually know him know that what he types is pretty darn close to how he speaks and his dry sense of humor does not translate well to the typed word. I have had to slap his hand or edit his post quite often on Sailboatowners.com where we take an even more strict approach to "be nice" and have "good manners".

That said I agree 1200% that he could stand to tone it down with the insults if he wants to be taken more seriously. He spends considerable time composing responses then has a tendency to emasculate them by being needlessly condescending. This condescending tone does not flow well with many, and especially would not read well unless you knew him personally, which most don't.

His tone does not bug me in the least as I know him personally so read his typing very differently than you would if you did not know him. He's a great guy with a good sense of humor and a vast knowledge, its just to bad it has come to this..

Lol...err, sorry Maine!

You explained it perfectly. I think you pretty much exemplify what we'd all like to see in a senior, experienced forum member. (Not just SN, but any forum)

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

You're right, threads like this are a waste of time and I did try to resist adding to it, and I failed.

Just noting for the record that we at least agree on one point

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

Jim, you've got me wrong though mate. First of all, I don't feel that I should have to tip-toe around anyone. SN doesn't have to be a happy "Kum-bay-yah" kind of place, but let's get one thing straight- If a member is going to fire off their mouth-cannon, I would like the right to respond in-kind, ...

Of course. That's eminently reasonable.

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

... and with SD, you didn't have that ability. He'd insult people, and then run and cry to the mods privately when anyone stood up to him.

This stifled debate and creativity because all arguments became one sided- his side.

I'm going to have to take your word on that, but it does seem unlikely to me.

Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd

I didn't advocate his departure, but I didn't mourn it either.

And I'm telling you you should.

I'm now signed-up to four (4) sailing sites in a vain attempt to have the same access to sailing knowledge that I used to have at one. And still the sum of the parts does not equal the whole that used to be.

But you cannot be expected to understand. You've been here only two years. Less, actually. You literally don't know what you missed . I barely caught it, myself.

A clarification is in order, lest some (rightfully) take offense. This is not to belittle the contributions of those knowledgeable and helpful sailors that remain here. (Still a list too long to recite, even if I could remember y'all.) It's only to say that what remains is, in my view, much diminished from what once was.

Jim

[tommays]

Its happened before and will happen again

I have been here long enough to see plenty of people take there ball and go home over some pretty silly stuff and life goes on

[PaulfromNWOnt]

He's not dead, he's over on AS according to the posts.

These forums are nothing more than books with multiple authors. The actual person behind the persona is hard to decipher because the printed word can't convey all the information we require. Wit is lost here.

Yup, he moved on. Whatever the reason, he's done something to improve his own sense of correctness.

A new author will step in who will bring something else to the table.

[JoeDiver]

Nothing new. Happens on every forum I've ever been on.

I may be new here, but not new to Internet communications. From hosting a BBS connected to Usenet back in the early 90's to today, I've made tens of thousands of posts....and one thing always remains constant: It doesn't matter how extensive your knowledge is...if you're an arse and treat people poorly you will be ignored, attacked, insulted and eventually run off.

People say things to people on the Internet they would NEVER say to them in person....they'd get their teeth knocked out. Keyboard Commandos hide behind what they think is anonymity, (not saying SD was a Keyboard Commando) and attack folks who differ in opinion. I've seen way too many noobs to a forum come in with a valid, yet often asked question only to be met with insults, use the search function responses. Most folks don't even respond, they just never come back. So, how valuable is that member really? Tons of folks have extensive knowledge, but being able to share that knowledge effectively makes for a truly valuable member of the forum.

[SEMIJim]

So... being faced with my next task at work being one I Really Don't Feel Like Doing , I decided to burn some time seeing if I could find out just what site management, the mods or whomever did to so-seriously offend SD that he decided to leave.

I think I found it. Wasn't all that difficult. I don't blame him. If I had the knowledge, and made the contributions to the Art of Sailing and this site SD had, and it'd been made clear to me the resident self-aggrandizing blow-hard was regarded as equally as valued as I, I too might've decided y'all weren't worth my time and would've left.

Way to go, SN. Seriously.

Btw, RXBOT: One of our boats is a leadmine blowboat. There: Now you can be offended twice in one go.

(tdw: If you still don't know, I'll PM you the link.)

Jim