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Pronunciation and phonetics
I was looking up a word in the dictionary and looking at the code that supposedly tells you how to pronounce the word when I was suddenly struck by an unrelated thought.
When did dictionaries change from showing a phonetic pronunciation that everyone could understand to this completely useless new code that looks like nothing so much as Arabic or Farsi? (there's a topic for you conspiracy theorists.  )
Also, who authorized it?
I've got a pretty good vocabulary and I'm probably a lot more anal than most when it comes to word usage but to me it looks like something only a small group of inbred intellectuals can understand and who foisted it on an unknowing public, possibly to keep their teaching jobs instructing the great unwashed in its use.
Anybody know anything about it?
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Other than that phonetics have fallen out of favor with the teaching establishment, not really. Another one of those "improvements" to bolster self-esteem, if I remember correctly.
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Another one of those "improvements" to bolster self-esteem, if I remember correctly.
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By making it impossible for anyone to understand? Or does that improve the self esteem of the illiterates by making everyone else the same as them?
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Near as I can tell, the switch from phonics to whole language is based on constructivist learning theory and ethnographic studies.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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I was looking up a word in the dictionary and looking at the code that supposedly tells you how to pronounce the word when I was suddenly struck by an unrelated thought.
When did dictionaries change from showing a phonetic pronunciation that everyone could understand to this completely useless new code that looks like nothing so much as Arabic or Farsi? (there's a topic for you conspiracy theorists. )
Also, who authorized it?
I've got a pretty good vocabulary and I'm probably a lot more anal than most when it comes to word usage but to me it looks like something only a small group of inbred intellectuals can understand and who foisted it on an unknowing public, possibly to keep their teaching jobs instructing the great unwashed in its use.
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Most likely a collaboration between Fox News and Obama. 
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Near as I can tell, the switch from phonics to whole language is based on constructivist learning theory and ethnographic studies.
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You made that up, right? 
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Err, no I didn't. Why stick with what works when you can go with theory?
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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Originally Posted by PBzeer
Err, no I didn't. Why stick with what works when you can go with theory?
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Are the chicken scratches that are now used to show pronunciation Whole Language, Constructivist Learning or Ethnographic Studies?
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Err, no I didn't. Why stick with what works when you can go with theory?
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Like Newton and Einstein?
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Originally Posted by PBzeer
Near as I can tell, the switch from phonics to whole language is based on constructivist learning theory and ethnographic studies.
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Actually you are close on this one; yes to constructivist learning theory, no to ethnographic studies. But phonetics and phonics are two very different things.
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