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Anyone Know South African Phoenix 37 Sailboats?

Please help me. As a new member, this is my first post.

I found a “Phoenix 37” (ghost ship?) moored near my slip in Jacksonville FL. Her faded transom signage says “Finesse” Liverpool, England and she’s in terrible shape. If she has an Alberg style full keel hull shape, then I will consider buying her as a backyard restoration project. Years ago, she supposedly was sailed to Jacksonville from England just before her skipper died. Another owner bought her from the estate, replaced the headsail/furler, and sailed to the Bahamas and back only once about 9 years ago. She’s been moored here ever since. The current owner acquired her on a trade and says she was built somewhere in South Africa several years ago. The river is too brackish to underwater video her hull shape. In the forward cabin with considerable varnishwork, there is a head in the forepeak, a shower/sink with sliding doors immediately aft, a salon with port and starboard settees amidships, a galley to port of the companionway ladder and a chart table to starboard of it with a tunnel (helmsman berth?) immediately aft of the chart table bench to an aft cabin fitted for stores. Some type of 50hp 4-cylinder GMC/British diesel with a British transmission is evidently affixed under the cockpit sole.
Does anyone know about this vessel’s history? Has anyone ever heard of Phoenix Sailing Yachts in South Africa? Does anyone have a Phoenix 37 center cockpit cutter with a furled jibsail, hanked-on staysail, and mainsail outfitted like this vessel? Thank you for any reply or consideration.
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Re: Anyone Know South African Phoenix 37 Sailboats?

Even in clear water it can be very difficult to ascertain a boat's underwater configuration without a goPro or a good mirror...

Google search mostly shows your various queries on different fora...

Can you post a picture of the suspect vessel? Someone may recognize it. You'll need a few more posts, though.

A general comment, though, is that boats in obvious need of a serious rehab may well not be worth it even if they are allegedly 'free'.. so try to have a complete picture of what's needed, match it with your personal skill set (or wallet depth) before proceeding.


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Re: Anyone Know South African Phoenix 37 Sailboats?

Faster Ron -- Thank you for your suggestions. As mentioned originally, the brackish St Johns River visibility is less than 3 inches. My GoPro underwater video was useless. Unless you or anyone else has direct knowledge of this hull type, above water photos will not help to determine hull shape. Nevertheless, attached are a few topside pics. I've been searching the internet for weeks without success (hence the term ghost ship). The current owner only possesses a title and no other documentation. Only one other member posted something remotely similar 4 years ago on this forum regarding a Phoenix 38. However his pics do not match mine.
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Wow, that is dirty. Hope you are not paying anything for it. It will of course cost way more to restore than she will ever be worth, but it is the journey not the destination right?!?! No way I give money for that boat, perhaps charge them a few thousand for removal. I am sure the interior is just as pristine. You are looking at a big hole in the water, that you must fill with money, no need to pay for the hole too.
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