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Good afternoon, dear sailors. I so mach need your help!! In autumn I bought the yacht Bruce Roberts 53. In the announcement of sale and from dealer I assured that the yacht is not ready to go (all rigging, technic and equipment is removed) but all it is onboard. Having already paid purchase I arrived and I found out that doesn't get much. The most part of missing staff i bought already, but the most important is absent blocks. It is necessary to understand what blocks are necessary and how many. I have to small sailing experience to understand it. I go under a sail only half a year.
I can't attach a photo by forum rules (as recently it was registered), but they are in my profile in album "Bruce Roberts '53"
Maybe someone will be able to help me, what blocks i have to bay?
Sorry for taking your time, bat i realy dont have enought mature to find out myself.
Thanks a lot :-)
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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Vera, Vera Vera.... please don't tell us you bought a boat sight unseen???

That's a lot of boat. Actually the gear shown in the pics looks better than I'd expect, and it looks like this boat was well equipped at some point. How does the interior look? Did you have it surveyed and are you sure that it's otherwise seaworthy??

First, have you searched every nook and cranny and certain the missing parts are indeed not there? if so then you've got some (expensive) shopping to do. Hopefully the supplies are nearby.

This site Harken should help you figure out what you'd need to find. This is good gear but expensive, you may get away with similar configurations with a bit less expense, but this stuff works real well. At any rate the pictures should help. You should check out the Mainsheet systems section. You'll need to know how big your sails are so some measurements will need to be made (can't find data for your boat on line)

You'll need mainsheet tackle for both the main and mizzen booms by the look of it, and ideally a vang, esp for the mainsail.

Good luck... maybe you'll find the bits somewhere...

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Lots of people like these blocks. Much cheaper than the competition but still good quality. The main difference is they do not have to variety and they are not lightweight for racing.
For cruising they are fine.
http://garhauermarine.com/blocktypes.cfm

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The word is boom not bum and it is the mizzen mast and mizzen boom.
Your going to lean a lot of new terminology. Have fun.

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Vera you can post a bunch of favorite songs in the song thread to get your post count up so you can post pictures.
Tell us the story if you don't mind.
Who all bought the boat what are your plans etc.

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Hello, Faster!
Yes, I bought the yacht almost blindly. But in spite of the all this, boat didn't disappoint me.
We plan to go in on it to the North, and it seems that it was made for this travel.
Inside walls are painted and the interior isn't so good, I will remake it after. Now I am on other yacht therefore I will be able to upload an interior picture a bit later. We now in the sea, near Roatan island in Honduras.

Thanks a lot for the link. But I don't really know what kind and in what places i have to install a blocks. And what i need for fastening a sails.
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DAVIDPM, thanks for your correction, but English is not my native language, i am originaly from Russia.
Yea, good idea with songs :-) i know lot :-)
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DAVIDPM, thanks for your correction, but English is not my native language, i am originaly from Russia.
Yea, good idea with songs :-) i know lot :-)
You are welcome. Native English speaker or not their are many terms special to sailing. So all new sailors have a lot of new words to learn.

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Vera.
You are focusing on the rigging as that seems to be the most noticeable disappointment.
That is understandable. It is also understandable that the blocks are missing as they are very expensive costing from $50 to $250 dollars each and they are easily removed and easily sold. I had the same thing happen to a boat I owned.

Before you go crazy spending a lot of money on rigging you might want to make sure the rest of the boat is suitable for what you need.
Right now the rigging seems complicated and the top priority but it may in fact not be the most important issue right now.
The first priority now that you own the boat is to find out how much it will cost to get it to the condition where it will be safe to use it for what you plan.
If those numbers don't work out you can always change your plans. It is a lot better to change the plans before you spend thousands on rigging parts.

I would start here.
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The structural integrity of the hull, thru-hulls, bulkhead attachment, hull-deck joint, engine, prop, stuffing box, shaft, engine mounts, steering, rudder etc are all more important at this time.
Once you leave the dock you want to make sure the boat will help keep you safe.
The most important part of that is to keep the water out.

Before you worry about sailing a boat of that size you have to make sure you have a seaworthy power boat first.

Did you buy this boat all by yourself or do you have some friends that have gone in with you?
What are their skills?
Are your or any of yours friends a diesel engine mechanic, carpenter, plumber electrician, good with electronics. You will need all those skills and more to make this happen plus all the tools that go along with those trades.

You said you wanted to sail north. What are your plans?

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

Bruce Roberts are custom designs, generally built from a set of plans an modified heavily through out by either a professional builder or a home made job.
No two are exactly the same.
I only 'know' of one, a BR 24 built by a friend in the late 70's.

The bottom line Vera is you are going to have to understand how the boat works before you can determine what you need for rigging, blocks etc.
That takes time and study, or money to hire someone to rig the boat for you.

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Re: Bruce Roberts '53 (If somebody can consult)

when you figure out what blocks you need, (consult a rigger) check ebay! there are used items there, and even new, with massive markdowns.
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