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pearson 30 1973

hody mates,
well i took the dive an got a pearson 30 1973.its used so not w/out problems.its in the shop getting mast restepped and 2 dimples in hull from sitting on peir blcks to long fixed.complete hull repaint.some minor electrical work then off to s.pacific.anyone got a knowledge of a cheap gps/chartplotter nnew,w/plug in for radar at a later date that i can get???there seems to be so many to choose from that this decesion is becoming hard.
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hody mates,
well i took the dive an got a pearson 30 1973. its used ............
I'm sure others enjoyed that you pointed out this 1973 is used. I don't think there are any new '73's out there any more. I bought my most recent Garmin GPS w/chart on eBay. You can often "google" the generic description of equipment you desire and find some alternate sources at good prices. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
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PERTINENT ADVICE for blocking a P30 on the hard with jackstands:

If you dont set the jackstands correctly on a P30 when storing on land you will be ultimately surprised with significant hull deflection ---- a P30 CANNOT have ALL its weight setting DIRECTLY on the keel.

1. the aft section of the keel at the bottom is HOLLOW and should NOT have any blocking under the HOLLOW portion. This risks breaking the hollow section and MOST IMPORTANTLY will cause the aft end of the KEEL to 'rotate' INTO the hull. This 'rotating' will cause sometimes SEVERE hull deflection - especially UNDER THE ICE BOX area and the area under the quarterberth locker!!!!!

How to correctly block a P30 (should be given to the yard when hauling and blocking a P30):

1. Set one block 'just aft' of the keel leading edge bottom
2. Find the hollow aft section of the keel by tapping and place the second block about 8-12 inches IN FRONT of the area of the 'hollow' - this will be a straight line down from where the aft part of the keel 'flares' to meet the flat sections under the hull. If the second block is aft of this 'imaginary line' then the keel will deflect INTO the aft section of the hull and you WILL get 'deflection'
3. Premark on the waterline where the vee berth bulkhead meets the hull (small square made from 'tape', etc.)
4. Premark on the waterline where the quarterberth 'small bulkhead' (inside the locker) meets the hull and place a small 'square' on the waterline.
5. (there is no small bulkhead on the stb aft side) ... mimic / locate on the stb. aft where the quarterberth bulkhead is located .... on the stb side.
6. Leave the backstay TIGHT - to help supprt the hull from 'sagging'
7. lower the boat onto the 'blocks' and set the jackstands exactly at the 'squares' on the waterline (bulkheads) tighten the jackstands.
8. use "VEE POPIT" jackstands at the bow .... and between the Rudder and PROP - set TIGHT.

This will stop/prevent all that 'hull distortion' when blocking.

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A P30's hull is TOO DAMN 'FLIMSY' to sail to the South Pacific, The bulkheads are in 'flanges' and will significantly 'work' in a heavy sea. The P30 will need some VERY SIGNIFICANT 'strengthening' if you plan to sail such a boat for long periods of time in the OPEN OCEAN. The P30 is a 'lightweight' performance-cruiser whose design was intended for 'sheltered waters' - NOT an 'open ocean boat !!!!!!! .... its going to catastrophically FALL APART out at sea. BAD boat for long term open ocean sailing !!!!!!!!!!
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i leave the next haul out and blocking to the boatyard its in.they know what they are doing.thanx for the tips tho.an i quess we,ll see what open ocean does to it as there are alot of opinions that dont agree w/that"fall apart"opinion.its even been called bullet proof,now i would try shooting into it,or out of it.im told its very tuff hulled on more than one occasion.thanx for the reply tho.
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Fascinating. We've had our P30 since about this time of the year in 2007. So that means we've had her on the hard, for winter storage, three times. In '07 and '08 we joined a club haulout and storage, so we did it ourselves, with guidance from fellow club members. Last winter we paid a yard. Six jackstands: A vee on the bow and three along each side. Took care to space them well and make sure the boat was balanced, with a slight tilt toward the stern for drainage. I don't recall how she was blocked under the keel for the previous two years, but she had one on the leading edge and one further back last winter. Nothing's ever oil-canned or collapsed.

First I've ever heard of the P30 being structurally inferior. I've always heard most Pearsons, the P30 included, were built like tanks. What I've always heard makes them unsuitable for off-shore use is the spade rudder.

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Fascinating. We've had our P30 since about this time of the year in 2007. So that means we've had her on the hard, for winter storage, three times. In '07 and '08 we joined a club haulout and storage, so we did it ourselves, with guidance from fellow club members. Last winter we paid a yard. Six jackstands: A vee on the bow and three along each side. Took care to space them well and make sure the boat was balanced, with a slight tilt toward the stern for drainage. I don't recall how she was blocked under the keel for the previous two years, but she had one on the leading edge and one further back last winter. Nothing's ever oil-canned or collapsed.

First I've ever heard of the P30 being structurally inferior. I've always heard most Pearsons, the P30 included, were built like tanks. What I've always heard makes them unsuitable for off-shore use is the spade rudder.

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I've owned Grey Goose since roughly the same time and have experienced no oil-canning or hull distortion in the 3 seasons we have wintered her on the hard. As Jim has stated, balance and adequate support is important. As far as off-shore use -- yeah, the spade (actually scimitar) rudder is a little vulnerable and I might look towards a full keel for greater stability. P30s are regarded as being somewhat 'tender' and I'm inclined to agree. Structurally inferior? Compared to what? Not sure I would call it a tank, but I would say they are structurally more sound than some other production boats (no names...).
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if any yard rested any boat on its keel w/all that weight i dont think they,d be in business to long.the dimples are in forward section and were told it sat on them for a lttle over a year,that what caused the dimples.so were told.there is no cracking in fiberglass or damage to hull.just needs to be pushed out again from previuos owners neglect of letting it sit on them to long.interesting about the keel and rudder not being worthy of open water.the previuos owner said they made a trip to hi.then back to mexico in it w/little problems.i called them on that and they showed me pix.well maybe i,ll just coastal use her then buy a larger vessel in a few years and sell her.i dunno,so many conflicting stories.im leaving it to the yard its in now as the owner has 38 years experience working on vessels both power and sail.im thinkin he knows what he,s doin at this point of his career.he,s the most sought after guy in his area.thanks for all the feedback tho.
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Sorry to bother you. I owned and raced a P30 (#443) for 25 years and sailed her from the Canadian Maritimes to FL several times. Had many discussions with the Pearson Brothers ... and installed longitudinal 'stiffners', etc. which stopped the oil-canning, etc. I 'think' I know what a P30 can do ... and I wouldnt take one offshore on long passages. So, I guess you didnt discover the typical rot in the compression post base, yet. nor the rotted baltec deck core. Sorry the P30 was designed as light as possible to fit the market target of a 70s cruiser/racer ... not an offshore boat. Load up one with lots of stores and your waterline is going to be VERY deep -- about 1" deeper for every 800 lb. of load.
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Thumbs up oil canning pearson hull

i see.your not bothering me,i appreciate your help and advice.so the dimples you n i are discussing in forward hull port an starboard are from oil canning?i did some research on oil canning and it seems you are probably correct there.it seems that once the paint is removed,which it will be this week,i need to inspect for stress cracks in and under gel coat.since both dimples are exactly on opposite sides directly across from each other,once pushed back out a rib could be placed inside to give it stiffner strength,correct?if there are cracks then would that be repairable?
i appreciate your advice very much as at survey haul out there was no mention of oil canning which on reveiw of what ive now researched should have been mentioned.after what i know now thanks to you alerting me to oil canning i would have stopped survey and simply walked away.however i own it so now i need to fix it.the guy who is doing the repair has extensive fiberglass experience and i have asked him to advise me on cracks,and or using a stiffner once dimples are pushed out.he is hard to reach as he is a hands on kinda guy,so i need to be patient.
although you say pearsons of my age and model are no good in the ocean,yet you sailed one from canada to fl.many times,wouldnt that be in the ocean?im kinda confused here.since you are friends of the pearson brothers do you have alink that i can have to contact them?it would be greatly appreciated.thank you for alerting me to this problem and your help w/it.i quess i,ll be getting another boat to go to the s.pacific.any suggestions on what to shop for?size?
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post compression

yes we found the mast post compression at survey so you are correct and experienced on pearsons.the shop has removed the mast and rotting wood and is going to place a solid fiberglass plate uder the mast before restepping it.he also is going to use a bondo compound under the pulleys and winches that turn the lines into cockpit area thru dodger.that way it wont matter what gets wet under the winches or mast.you are correct again my teacher,as the mast had sunk into deck i/8 inch and caused considerable cracking inside the deck and even down below where beam goes into hull.we found that the beam had not compress into keel step so that was good.while mast is down im having deck lights installed for night use and also a light on top as i the name of that light eludes me this early.also having a windex mounted on top.thanks for sharing your knowledge of the pearson w/me.this boat will never race anything,it will be an old mans surf safari type boat.as im retired and thinkin after hearing your knowledge,which is good,i,ll just cruise the pacific coast to mexico an back surfing along the way till i find another more worldly-worthy boat.thank you again.
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