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Stop sending those logs down here to Seattle!!! They drive me crazzzzzzzy!
Oh, ya...sorry about that.. here I am thinking only of myself. I'll talk to my member of parliament about this. That otta get it straitened out.
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Thats an amazing Navigational Hazard...I'm kind of surprised its allowed to get that bad.
Not a lot that can be done about it, this is just the way it is out here. It's one of our navigational hazards we have to watch for. The foreshore up and down this coast is saturated with logs and sticks. It does't really get any worse than this, and this year it's a bit unusual to have this much.
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Here at the Port of Friday Harbor it has been ridiculous. Looks every bit or worse as those Campbell River shots. The poor port guys have been towing logs out to San Juan Channel all day long every day but the place is still full. And there have been some truly huge tree trunks floating around these parts.

I am often grateful for the underbody on our Gulf 32: a modified full keel. We're heading out somewhere this weekend, maybe Victoria, maybe Stuart and Sucia, and will have our eyes peeled even more than usual!
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I just motored from Cap Sante Boat Haven in Anacortes to Eastlake, Lake Union, Seattle through this stuff day and night. It is actually pretty easy to avoid if you keep a constant eye on your course. At night you just head towards a light, which is easy enough on clear nights.

The most fun was ghosting into Oak Harbor at one tenth of a knot after the motor failed. We barely had steerage to avoid the clogged waters of the channel.

Surprisingly we managed to hit 0 logs.
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I am often grateful for the underbody on our Gulf 32: a modified full keel.
I came very close to buying one of those once, sailed it down the Sunshine Coast to Gibson's landing for a haulout/survey. It sailed very well and I was very pleased with the build/design but the survey turned up some big problems (neglect related) so I passed on it at the last minute, nice boat though.
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Hey, seayalatermoonglow, sorry you were on a dud. I saw a couple dud Gulf 32's before buying Aeolus. Saw one in Gig Harbor that had deck rot, oooh, that was bad. Good old Aeolus had suffered benign neglect and was like a museum piece when I got her. Now she is, well, my hearts desire.

Looks like your photo is a pilothouse. What are you on these days?

Was down at the docks this morning and saw the poor port guy already towing logs out of the harbor. Beside the logs, I don't know what will get done about the mass of flotsam and jetsam too small to tow away. The port here is like a catacomb and once stuff is in, it doesn't like to get out.

Suppose to be snotty this weekend, so the wife and I are revising our plans to make sure we get some good sails in open water and anchor somewhere sheltered from the S/SE!
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seayalatermoonglow I watched your Toba video. Great stuff. Which boat was powering? Looks like you are on a Fisher, a sister ship of sorts to my Gulf. I would miss an outside wheel I think...

What was your anchoring like up the inlet? I've been around those parts quite a bit but never been inside Toba or Bute, but hope to some day.
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Of course there is a solution, several in fact.

The first would be to require companies to keep the areas they operate in clear, or somewhat clear. That would include wood debris that is not theirs.

Many industries do that now. I have spent many hours cleaning up someone elseís mess because the public does not and should not have to care which company made it, just that our industry clean up our mess.

Next would be to get rid of license for beachcombers. If a log is free, it should be up for grabs. Of course there wouldn't be as many free logs if that was the case, and when a boom breaks it would be cleaned up quickly, one way or another. Enforcement would be needed, which is why licenses were brought in, but that should have been the response in the first place.

And finally we have to continue to change past practices.

The industry has come a long way and has a long way to go. The process of caring for the environment and protecting the public should be an ongoing one. A process which would include reducing the impact logging has on the sea and the sea bed as well as on rivers, water temperature and other issues as we learn about them. Not unlike our own boating community.

We keep that process moving by asking questions and threads like this. After a logging truck killed a co-worker I and many others made a point of telling the government that their exemption from safety rules, rules the rest of us have to follow, resulted in the death of two citizens and was not acceptable. Didnít get the law changed but practices did improve and has already saved a few lives.
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The Fraser River trap is funded by a group of forest companies and government, as I understand it, though that funding seems to be threatened every year. If that trap is let go then the amount of debris we have to avoid will be greater than it already is.

I agree the industry has come a long way.. after nearly 30 years in Pulp and Paper we've seen things go from flagrant abuse to considerable effort on behalf of pollution abatement (air and water).. unfortunately lately a large part of the reduction is from the closing of so many mills (and the economic hardship that comes from that)

I'm always amazed at the lack of flotsam in areas like the Caribbean and Mexico after sailing around here.. but they too have their hazards - fish trap lines off many of the Caribbean islands, as an example, make night passages difficult too.
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Hey, seayalatermoonglow, sorry you were on a dud. I saw a couple dud Gulf 32's before buying Aeolus. Saw one in Gig Harbor that had deck rot, oooh, that was bad. Good old Aeolus had suffered benign neglect and was like a museum piece when I got her. Now she is, well, my hearts desire.

Looks like your photo is a pilothouse. What are you on these days?

Was down at the docks this morning and saw the poor port guy already towing logs out of the harbor. Beside the logs, I don't know what will get done about the mass of flotsam and jetsam too small to tow away. The port here is like a catacomb and once stuff is in, it doesn't like to get out.

Suppose to be snotty this weekend, so the wife and I are revising our plans to make sure we get some good sails in open water and anchor somewhere sheltered from the S/SE!

The problem with the Gulf 32 I was looking at was also the deck rot and my biggest problem was the sales creature from the brokerage trying to tell me that i'ts no big deal and I could fix it for under two grand. That's when I got quite irritated and asked for my deposit back, it only cost me a haulout and half survey, so I got out lightly.
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