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Old 12-17-2013
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

i'm just running single lines from aft and bow. I"ve tried spring lines which only helped marginally
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

Try an anchor or dock snubber to relieve some of the stress on the line at the hawser
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

Isn't it actually called a hawse hole? I thought the Hawse pipe was the opening for the anchor chain to go into the chain locker.
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

Actually a hawser is any fully enclosed place for a mooring line or anchor rode to pass thru the bullworks the hawse pipe is the pipe the anchor rode passes to the locker
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

I am about to experiment with a dyneema/dock line combo. Estarzinger gave me this idea from his snubber set up.
From cleat to about a foot outside hawsepipe dyneema, endura braid with eye, and cow hitch it to an eye of three strand, on the three strand I will have a bungee like snubber to absorb more shock loads. Make sense?

It's basically an anchor snubber set up, but tweaked for dock line. The dyneema has zero, well .06%, stretch so no creaking noises.

I haven done it yet, so many projects going on, but I will let you know how well it works for us.

As far as table in the main salon. We have the bulkhead model table and love it. We removed the starboard leaf and keep our engel fridge beneath. We can fold up the table to be completely out of the way. I did a little mod to accommodate a cross stitch my mother made me while she was sailing RTW(). It can still be stowed with picture in place..here is a pic if I'm not making any sense.
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

Ocean Girl,
We had the same madly annoying problem until someone showed us a trick. We have standard docklines that we bought at West Marine, with chaff guards (white canvas type material that velcros over the line - also bought at West Marine). The trick is to take standard bar soap and rub it over the chaff guard or dockline where it rubs on the hawser. We have to re-apply every couple of months, but otherwise it completely silences the lines. Finally, peace and quiet. Now if I can only get my neighbor to tie off his slapping halyards...

Kieth,
We have the folding table and for the most part love the fact that it is out of the way most of the time and really opens up the boat. When down though, it is impossible to access anything under the port settee. Another thing to ponder - I wouldn't trust leaving it down while sailing for fear of damaging it if you are thrown against it. It isn't strong enough to withstand even a moderate lateral blow. So for passages, you have to work around eating and working without a table. I think the centerline table is better for working at sea. I'm not sure yet how I am going to deal with this admittedly small problem – although may become really annoying on a long passage. Everything is a trade-off, and nothing is ever easy when it comes to boats.

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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

I've got the bulkhead mounted table and I LOVE it. I find it incredibly easy to stow, and so does my wife. I don't use the dowels, never a prob, but have been meaning to add some anyway and see. Mostly use it sans fold up leaf, unless the whole family is there, and then it is a great place for a family dinner!

It leaves a lot of open space in the cabin for stretching, or yoga. Also make port settee a very attractive place to hang out while being out of the way of traffic.

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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

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We have the folding table and for the most part love the fact that it is out of the way most of the time and really opens up the boat. When down though, it is impossible to access anything under the port settee. Another thing to ponder - I wouldn't trust leaving it down while sailing for fear of damaging it if you are thrown against it. It isn't strong enough to withstand even a moderate lateral blow. So for passages, you have to work around eating and working without a table. I think the centerline table is better for working at sea. I'm not sure yet how I am going to deal with this admittedly small problem – although may become really annoying on a long passage. Everything is a trade-off, and nothing is ever easy when it comes to boats.

Hope that helps.
I am glad I opted for the folding table, and would do the same again, but it does make moving around the salon dangerous at times. I have more than once been thrown across the cabin. The interior does not seem small when you are falling from the starboard handrail to the port settee at high speed. Having the centerline table would sure make the trip forward safer in these conditions.
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

The room below would seem cavernous with the table mounted to the bulkhead. I could put up one of those mirror balls and have a dance floor.

Spoke to PSC regarding a quote to have one built. I know the quality would be second to none. Unfortunately it was priced way out of my league.

Spoke to an excellent marine finish carpenter. He came in with a quote considerably less however I don't believe it would be anywhere as nice.

Further discussiion and lots of sketches later I'm sure the price will rise.

Always tons of great advise here. I sure do like u guys !!!!!
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Re: Noise from dockline passing thru Hawse Pipe

After many years of living aboard our solution to dock line noise is a terry cloth wrap saturated with dish soap. We cut them about 8-10" long and about 6-8" wide (enough to go around the dock line at least twice). I keep an ondeck bottle of cheap soap handy if rain washes it away. We put this wrap over the woven style chafe guard already mentioned. When they are well saturated with soap, a squirt of water over each at night to soak the cloths is all it takes.

Also, we use large diameter nylon dock lines with rubber snubbers (3/4"d for springs, 1"d bow and stern lines). We've been in marinas with wicked surge and even though 1" lines may seem like overkill we've seen them stretch a snubber twice its length and are glad of its extra strength. Plus the larger lines work less and have greater bearing surface which also helps reduce the noise.

We also use similar anti-chafe and noise reduction methods for the 5/8"d nylon anchor bridle which goes in a Y from a devil's claw through both port and starboard hawseholes back to the midship cleats (we need the length for shock absorbing--no rubber snubbers on the bridle).

Just our dos pesos. Your mileage may vary.

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