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Sailing characteristics of a PSC 31/32

Curious to know the sailing characteristics of a Pacific Seacraft 31 or 32. How well the boat points to windward and how well it tracks in rough seas. Does it yaw (roll) a lot. How good its systems are and if there are any weak points in its construction.

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Hi Marvin,

You will get more and better answers to your question if you post it here:

http://list.sailnet.net/read/?forum=pacificseacraft

That link is for the Sailnet PSC e-mail list-serve. There are quite a few PSC 31 owners and several PH32 owners on the list-serve that do not check in here. Also, you can do a "search" over there and get quite a bit of info, as many prospective purchasers have asked similar questions to yours.

Good luck, and since there have been two very different Pacific Seacraft 31 models (the first was called the "Mariah", the second is often referred to as the "Crealock 31"), be sure to specifiy which model it is you're interested in (I assume by your reference to the "32" that you are asking about the Crealock 31 and it's pilothouse variant).
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Thanks for the response John. I'll take a look at the link you provided.

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I own a 1989 PSC 31 and prior a Dana 24. Both were cutter rigged. The Dana was perfect and a dream to sail. You do not experience yaw in either boat. My 31 has a wheel and because you can't feel the tiller pressure is a little harder to set the sails perfectly. However, I thought the sails were harder to manage on the 31. On a broad reach you can hit 7.8 knots in an above moderate blow. With both foresails, I believe we point as well as most other boats and never felt disadvantaged. Trick is to put reefs in main and keep the foresails up.

Here is the problem with the 31. The water tanks are not SS, but instead fiberglass with either a plexiglass or plywood top that is siliconed in place. On my Dana the water tank was SS. In any event, it has been my experience that the aft water tank under the quarterbirth has a habit of leaking near the outer edge near the hull. You must remove the plywood and reseal it in silicone every few years to ensure no leaks.

If you install air conditioning and/or refrigeration you will find that hanging locker stowage is almost nil unless you get really inventive where you place the compressor(s). However, here are some plus marks, the cockpit layout works well and the boat is very comfortable.

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Mortimer, all good points. You and I are on the same sailing path, having both owned a Dana and now a 31.

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I own a 1989 PSC 31 and prior a Dana 24. Both were cutter rigged. The Dana was perfect and a dream to sail. You do not experience yaw in either boat. My 31 has a wheel and because you can't feel the tiller pressure is a little harder to set the sails perfectly. However, I thought the sails were harder to manage on the 31. On a broad reach you can hit 7.8 knots in an above moderate blow. With both foresails, I believe we point as well as most other boats and never felt disadvantaged. Trick is to put reefs in main and keep the foresails up.
I largely concur with your sailing observations above. Except that, overall, I have found the larger size of the 31 to be easier to manage, maybe because the wheel tidies up the cockpit and can be locked off. We usually sail with a 120% genoa and sometimes a staysail.

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Here is the problem with the 31. The water tanks are not SS, but instead fiberglass with either a plexiglass or plywood top that is siliconed in place. On my Dana the water tank was SS. In any event, it has been my experience that the aft water tank under the quarterbirth has a habit of leaking near the out edge near the hull. You must removed the plywood and reseal it in silicone every few years to ensure no leaks.
Our 31 is one year newer, with the plastic tank lids instead of the plywood lids. I've never had to rebed ours, and they don't leak. A lot of owners with plywood lids have upgraded to the plastic ones with good results. Search the e-mail forum for "how-to" discussions. But you're right, I miss the Dana's metal tanks.

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If you install air conditioning and/or refrigeration you will find that hanging locker stowage is almost nil unless you get really inventive where you place the compressor(s).
Our fridge compressor is in the aft-most compartment under the starboard settee (immediately adjacent to the ice-box), so it doesn't use up precious hanging locker space. We don't have Air Conditioning, but I'd probably install it in the wet locker aft of the head if we ever wanted it.

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However, here are some plus marks, the cockpit layout works well and the boat is very comfortable.
Agreed. The cockpit design, though somewhat unusual, is very clever and comfortable both underway and at anchor.
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Curious to know the sailing characteristics of a Pacific Seacraft 31 or 32. How well the boat points to windward and how well it tracks in rough seas. Does it yaw (roll) a lot. How good its systems are and if there are any weak points in its construction.

Marvin
Hi Marvin,
I am a new owner of a 1988 PSC 31. She is extremely stable in rough seas, does not roll or yaw,tracks very well. I can put her on autopilot with my cutter rig and she holds her course easily in ocean conditions. Unfortunately, she points very poorly to windward. This is my first time sailing a real bluewater boat and I was dismayed that my "no-sail zone" was a minimum of 120 degrees, whether using a sloop rig or a cutter rig. I would be interested to hear if other bluewater boats and PSCs perform this poorly to windward.
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Mortimer, all good points. You and I are on the same sailing path, having both owned a Dana and now a 31.



I largely concur with your sailing observations above. Except that, overall, I have found the larger size of the 31 to be easier to manage, maybe because the wheel tidies up the cockpit and can be locked off. We usually sail with a 120% genoa and sometimes a staysail.



Our 31 is one year newer, with the plastic tank lids instead of the plywood lids. I've never had to rebed ours, and they don't leak. A lot of owners with plywood lids have upgraded to the plastic ones with good results. Search the e-mail forum for "how-to" discussions. But you're right, I miss the Dana's metal tanks.



Our fridge compressor is in the aft-most compartment under the starboard settee (immediately adjacent to the ice-box), so it doesn't use up precious hanging locker space. We don't have Air Conditioning, but I'd probably install it in the wet locker aft of the head if we ever wanted it.



Agreed. The cockpit design, though somewhat unusual, is very clever and comfortable both underway and at anchor.


I am VERY interested to hear that others have the problem of the water tank under the stern quarterberth leaking on the PSC31. I just spent 2 hours prying up the plywood cover because mine was leaking. I am debating whether to just silicone it back down and wait for it to leak again, or try to improve on it--with a plexiglass cover or some other sealant. Any suggestions? Also, where can I get a 6 or 8 inch inspection/cleaning port to insert into the cover? Lastly, I tried to post on the PSC owners forum but it said my login was invalid. Do I have to register separately for that?
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I am VERY interested to hear that others have the problem of the water tank under the stern quarterberth leaking on the PSC31. I just spent 2 hours prying up the plywood cover because mine was leaking. I am debating whether to just silicone it back down and wait for it to leak again, or try to improve on it--with a plexiglass cover or some other sealant. Any suggestions? Also, where can I get a 6 or 8 inch inspection/cleaning port to insert into the cover? Lastly, I tried to post on the PSC owners forum but it said my login was invalid. Do I have to register separately for that?
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Hi Paul,

Just to clarify, the tanks on our boat have never had a leaking problem. This issue seems to be confined to boats built in the 80's which had gelcoated plywood tank lids. My suggestion would be to replace those with the plastic lids used on later boats and be done with the problem.

If you search over on the e-mail list serve, you should find some helpful threads discussing that remedy. Yes, you have to sign up separately.

If you are coming from a thoroughbred racing boat with a high aspect keel and bulb, you should expect less pointing ability from a typical blue-water boat. But as for the pointing ability of your boat, I'm somewhat puzzled. We have the fin keel version and I've been very pleased at our pointing ability -- in fact upwind legs are where we usually look to open the distance between boats we sail with. Which keel do you have and what sail combinations? I also wonder if your rig may not be properly tuned/raked. Was the mast taken down and re-stepped recently?

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120 degrees sounds a little extreme to me. Granted I have an Orion, but she is full keeled and can still do better than that by far. I don't know what sail combo you have up, but I find that by rolling the genny (120) two turns I can point much higher than if the full sail is out.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say blown out sails.
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