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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

I have a question for those of you who are long-term cruisers,

Is the space the asymmetric takes when not deployed, worth taking it on a long cruise?

I'm going to spend 8 months next year in the eastern Caribbean. Right now, my asymmetric takes perhaps 1/5 of my quarter berth. I'm not sure it'll be worth the space.

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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

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I fly mine from the same halyard as my Genoa for now. I will add spinnaker halyard next time I take down the mast.

You can see pictures here if you are interested.
Using the genoa halyard works - but look out for chafe.
I prefer to do an outside gybe of the asymmetric, to do that you need the tack forward of the head stay and the halyard above the head stay.

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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

"This is basically a spinnaker halyard problem. You will have it with any spinnaker arrangement unless you are going to use the same halyard for your genoa and spinnaker.

The normal solution is to install a Spinnaker Bail at the masthead. If you have the LeFiell mast you can get one here:

Masthead Assemblies"


I have a spinnaker halyard...is it safe to assume I have the necessary hardware aloft, then, to fly another headsail? Seems so....

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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

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I have a question for those of you who are long-term cruisers,

Is the space the asymmetric takes when not deployed, worth taking it on a long cruise?

I'm going to spend 8 months next year in the eastern Caribbean. Right now, my asymmetric takes perhaps 1/5 of my quarter berth. I'm not sure it'll be worth the space.

Your thoughts?

Bob
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I could be wrong but that choice might actually be between the asymmetric and 2 or 3 jerry jugs of diesel - similar space but the asymmetric will be lighter. Also is the asymmetric the only nylon sail you have, perhaps you have a drifter which you might use at times in place of the asymmetric.

I spent 2 years cruising Pacific Mexico and found the asymmetric very useful.
Next trip I will be cutting down on a lot of the stuff I took with me - boat came home with a lot of the canned food it went south with, a 5 gallon paint can full of stainless fittings, lbs of spares, 4 scuba tanks and a compressor (which will become 2 scuba tanks and a compressor) and 6 jerry jugs of fuel. The fuel jugs were frequently empty but still took up space.

So much of that is going to be cut back. In its place will likely be 2 or 3 or 4 nylon sails - asymmetric, some sort of code 0 type sail, a drifter and maybe a symmetric spinnaker. The first 3 will all be flow from one of the newer roller furriers - Karver, facnor, collegio, profurl or ???. If I had to pick only 1 it would likely be the asymmetric (or maybe the drifter). Sailing conditions in Pacific Mexico frequently consist of light winds.

I am also looking for an alternatives to burning gasoline in my outboard, but I am an avid free diver/scuba diver so there will be keeping my current 15HP 2 stroke and 11.5 foot Achilles inflatable.

So its about making choices and what choices work for you.

I have not had any experience in the eastern Caribbean, but had friends on a Crealock 34, who started in San Diego, spent a few years making the trip down to Panama and then a few years in the eastern Caribbean before heading to Florida and ultimately moving off the boat. After their first season in the eastern Caribbean they had a main built the size of a double reefed main and left the original main off the boat. They were tired of always putting the reefs. After that season the old main went back on the boat as they got used to the conditions.


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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

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"This is basically a spinnaker halyard problem. You will have it with any spinnaker arrangement unless you are going to use the same halyard for your genoa and spinnaker.

The normal solution is to install a Spinnaker Bail at the masthead. If you have the LeFiell mast you can get one here:

Masthead Assemblies"


I have a spinnaker halyard...is it safe to assume I have the necessary hardware aloft, then, to fly another headsail? Seems so....

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Probably.

But go look at it. The spinnaker bale will be forward of the mast. The spinnaker halyard will not run over the sheaves at the top the bast. There is likely a block attached to the spinnaker bale that the spinnaker halyard is running thru.

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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

Marc,
Thanks for your thoughts about the value of the asymmetric relative to the space it takes. However, the last part of your comments may be more to the reality I'll be facing.

Light wind is less often a problem during the winter months when I'll be down there. Your friends were reefing all the time. 15- 20 knts is the norm. Much of my anticipated sailing will be beam reach. Also since I can easily lash fuel carboys on the deck but must devote valuable interior space to the asymmetric. So, I"m leaning against bringing it. However, I'll continue to think about his.

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Marc, I checked today and I do have a separate block for the spinnaker halyard. The next question will be whether to haul the asym up from the base of the mast (hinei'ni does not have a winch on the mast) or run the halyard aft to the cockpit. Either way, I have to run forward to douse, right?
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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

Just weighing in: My PSC came with a beautiful assym spinaker. I have gradually learned to use it in various conditions and absolutely love it! There are other options for downwind/light wind sailing but with a sock, the AS is such a nice solution--and so much prettier than white sails. Yes, it is a fairly large bag stored down below but it is so light and compressible that it doesn't bother me a bit (it is wonderfully soft to sleep on up on the foredeck!). I remember I once left on a cruise and thought the AS was on board but it was not--I was very unhappy and vowed to never leave port without it again. (All that said, next chance I get I want to experiment with double headsails.)
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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

Does anyone fly an Asym and a Drifter? I have the Asym, thinking about adding a drifter for light air forward of the beam. I was thinking about the sailrite drifter kit. Anyone buiilt one?
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Re: downwind sail for PSC31

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Marc, I checked today and I do have a separate block for the spinnaker halyard. The next question will be whether to haul the asym up from the base of the mast (hinei'ni does not have a winch on the mast) or run the halyard aft to the cockpit. Either way, I have to run forward to douse, right?
So with the asym in an ATN sock there really is not requirement for a winch for the spin halyard. Easily hauled up by hand.

No matter what you do with running or not running lines back to the cockpit is the sail in an ATN sock you will have to go forward do deal with dousing the sail. If I am singlehandend the boat is usually being driven by either the autopilot or with the windvane so going forward is no issue. If you are going cruising without an autopilot you might want to reconsider. If you are going cruising singlehanded without an autopilot you want to reconsider.

On my next trip I am probably going to carry 2 5 gallon jerry jugs. Fill with diesel for long trips offshore. Use to refuel the boat the when in spots where I don't want to or can't put the boat next to the fuel dock and otherwise keep empty or possibly full of gasoline for the inflatable outboard.

Also looking into sailbags that can be clipped to the lifelines and left up on deck for most of th time while underway.

All of my nylon sails will likely be flown off of a roller furling unit rather then an ATN sock. Sail could then be deployed and retrieved while from the cockpit. Dropping the furled sail would be done from the foredeck as would swapping out the nylon sails.

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