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Summit_Elan 02-25-2013 08:09 PM

downwind sail for PSC31
 
Hi all:

I have a PSC 31 (#36) Hinei'ni (nee Clue), and I saw on the PSC owners org website a photo of Journey,a PSC 31 in NC or SC flying an asymetrical spinnaker. The owners association has not responded to my request to join, so I can't post there. I am considering adding an asym to my sail quiver and wanted to hear any pros and cons. I have two furling headsails (yankee and staysail) but I'm not sure if that's relevant or not. I have the bowsprit D-ring and spinnaker blocks at the transom in place. i got a quote from an annapolis sailmaker for $2,800 for the sail, 64 sq. meters, and an ATN sock...I would only need a quick release and about two feet of line or webbing to clear the bow pulpit.

I actually saw another boat (some kind of 352 H/HR?? recently with three furling headsails..the foremost was an asym of sorts, then a yankee, then a staysail. I think that aside from the ability to stay aft and unfurl, this is an expensive, overdone, and less attractive option.


Has anybody installed a third headsail or am I right and this is too much? How much downwind improvement will I see with an asym over the high cut yankee?



Elan

RainDog 02-25-2013 09:09 PM

Re: downwind sail for PSC31
 
I am on a 34, but pretty close.

With the ATN sock I can set and douse my Asym from the cockpit by myself.

The pros are I get to sail on days I used to stay at the dock or motor. When the wind is 3-8 I can still have a nice relaxing reach. Downwind in 5-10 same story.

The only cons are cost and storage. It is not a small sail and you need to find a place to put it when not in use.

Summit_Elan 02-26-2013 12:17 PM

downwind sail for PSC31
 
Do you run all lines aft, including the halyard? If so, you must sail with the sail hanging down to the deck. Or do you run forward to rig for the down wind and then pack it away for upwind work?

Thanks!

RainDog 02-26-2013 12:29 PM

Re: downwind sail for PSC31
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Summit_Elan (Post 995322)
Do you run all lines aft, including the halyard? If so, you must sail with the sail hanging down to the deck. Or do you run forward to rig for the down wind and then pack it away for upwind work?

Thanks!

I run forward to rig it. The halyard is tied off at the mast. Running to the cockpit are the sheets and a continuos line attached to a block at deck level that pulls the sock up and down. Once it is set up, I can raise the sock to set the sail from the cockpit using the continuos line. I can also lower the sock to douse the sail from the cockpit using the same line. It is basically identical to a roller furler set up in terms of how the control lines work. It has two advantages over a roller furler set up in my opinion:

1) It is way cheaper since I came this way when I bought the boat :)
2) It is easier to set up and take down. Than a roller furler.

#1 is of course my driving motivation for this setup. Note I have never tried to douse the sail in 20 knot winds. If I ever have the misfortune I will report back on how it went. My strategy would probably be to head downwind, raise the main (if needed), and then douse in the shadow of the main.

MarcHall 02-26-2013 12:45 PM

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The asym will probably give you the most use for a downwind sail and should probably be where you should start.

The ATN sock is well designed, works well and makes deployment and take down of the sail much simpler.

On Crazy Fish, the asym is raised from a spinnaker halyard that is not run back to the cockpit. If I am by myself, the boat goes on autopilot and go forward to set up the sail and deploy it and then head back to the cockpit to trim it.

Although all of my sails have been purchased new, I see a lot of asymmetric spinnakers in the inventory of the used sails vendors such as Minneys in Newport Beach, CA. I recently set up the boat to fly a symmetric spinnaker and purchased a used one from Minneys. The sail did not have a great shape although was in excellent condition and I return it to Minneys and swapped it out for another one which works better.

A new trend for asymmetric spinnakers is the use of a top down furler, I believe Karver was the first but the Profurl has come up with an interesting design. More expensive then an ATN sock but could be set up at the dock and when not in use left up in the rolled position ready to be deployed. The Profurl furler components could also used for Code 0 type sail.

Marc Hall
Crazy Fish, Crealock 37 Hull 207

Summit_Elan 02-26-2013 01:27 PM

Re: downwind sail for PSC31
 
Okay..good feedback...Raindog, I think the ATN line that comes stock is long enough to pull up or pull down the sock, but does not run aft..did you lengthen the line or just spec it longer when you ordered?

RainDog 02-26-2013 01:32 PM

Re: downwind sail for PSC31
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Summit_Elan (Post 995364)
Okay..good feedback...Raindog, I think the ATN line that comes stock is long enough to pull up or pull down the sock, but does not run aft..did you lengthen the line or just spec it longer when you ordered?

Mine came as is from the previous owner, so not sure.

Next time I fly it, I will try to take and post a video.

Will be a while unfortunately since the boat is out of commission for the next 2 months :(

adamowens 02-26-2013 01:53 PM

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The spinnaker in the photos is a Quantum V3 all purpose asymmetric. It really is a nice addition on those lighter wind days when I need to go downwind. That sail in particular is good for between 90-150 AWA or so. It will not sail any lower though. I've even carried it a little higher in some really light wind.
The downside to the sail is how much room it takes up storing it in the boat. The ATN sock I would guess doubles the volume of the stowed sail. Mine came with a duffel style bag and it takes a big portion of the space in the quarter berth.

Adam
PSC 31 Journey

Summit_Elan 02-26-2013 03:32 PM

downwind sail for PSC31
 
Hi Adam, thanks for chiming in. Thats a great picture and inspiring too ( to spend money, haha!) Right now all my sails are on the quarter berth so there's really no room, but come better weather, I wouldn't have any sails below except an asym since I'd pull the 130 furling genoa from the boat and have the Yankee and staysail on the furlers. So maybe I could live with that trade off if the down wind performance is so good.

Summit_Elan 02-26-2013 03:32 PM

downwind sail for PSC31
 
Oh, how heavy do you think it is/ do you just haul it out of the bow hatch?


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