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Why vote for Obama?

1. To get out of Iraq (instead of fighting even more wars which seems likely with Mr. M)

2. To get a sensible health insurance system in this country. EVERY other industrialized country pays way less than we do and has better outcomes. Most or all of the scare mongering from opponents has been debunked (e.g. see above on wait times)

3. He is smart. Harvard Law Review editor is a position you get for being the smartest law student at Harvard. We could use smart for a change.

4. He is a liberal - Didnt you notice? As a liberal myself, I would far rather vote for a liberal than Mr. M.

5. To restore honor to our international relations. I dont expect people on this site to understand that, but I would like to be proud of my country when my President goes overseas instead of cringing at the ridiculous things he says.

And yes, I would probably vote against almost any Republican this year. McCain is actually an honorable man who would be a vast improvement over Bush. But he is hated by many in his party for failure to toe the party line on everything.

But the real issue is that I am very worried about our democracy when there is a party that apparently is perfectly OK with a President who brazenly announces at each bill signing that he doesnt have to obey the law if he decides not to. That strikes at the very basis of our democracy - EVERYONE has to obey the law. That is why the call it the EXECUTIVE branch - The President swears to "faithfully execute the laws". And Bush thinks he is above that. What would those congressional republicans think if a Dem were the one ignoring the law? I wish they would focus on that thought for a minute.

The way our system is supposed to work is that the President obeys the law and does whatever he feels is right WITHIN THE LAW and that he can get Congress to pay for. If he doesnt like that he can go campaign for people to tell their congressmen to do what he wants or to elect new congressmen. But the President isnt a king and the current Republicans in Washington dont seem to understand that. So I want them out of power so they can think about it for a while.

I am actually a lib who thinks this country NEEDS a Republican party. The liberal impulses of the Dems, if left unchecked by the business sense of the Republicans (or at least the OLD republican party - dont get me started on the fiscal irresponsibility of the current crowd) would tend to go way too far. Just look at some of the cities and towns where there is no effective opposition to the party in power - they tend to go off the deep end of whatever side they are on.

So I am NOT somebody who has always opposed Republicans in a kneejerk way. But this year I feel pretty strongly about it. That is why I am so happy that Obama will beat McCain like a drum!!!!
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So I am paying for your health insurance. You goddam FREELOADER. You are partaking of a SOCIALIST health care system? But you dont want others to have it too? Shame on you. Congrats for being in the navy long enough to retire well though.

Actually, health care (editing - I should say health INSURANCE) is one area where the private sector can be counted on to do a worse job than a properly run govt. system. Thats why Medicare has a very low overhead (less than 5%) compared to the private sector (a third or more) because the private sector has an incentive to weed out all really sick people from their system - i.e. the people who actually need it. It is also why our health care outcomes rank somewhere right near Costa Rica (no joke, look it up) while we pay much more than any other industrialized country. I am no socialist but it is just plain silly to think that the private sector is ALWAYS better at providing goods. If you doubt it, go look at any intro economics text and look at the section on "public goods". Even right wing economists like Milton Friedman dont think that the market can solve every problem there is.

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Actually I really do know where I live. I may be in a trance but my location isnt proof of that. It really is three hours to Canada from here. Believe it or not, I have actually gone there. Canadians are rather nice. And they seem healthy too!! Not only that, but their dollar is worth the same or more than ours nowadays. How did THAT happen? Oh, I know. The Republicans got in charge of both Congress and the Presidency and had the fiscal sense of a drunk Latin American dictator.

Obama for Prez!!!

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Here is a political statement that I hope ALL here on this thread will agree is a good thing for the USA

Hillary Clinton is not going to be President!!!!
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