Democrats versus Republicans

[RAGNAR]

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[sck5]

sailormon

Hey, dont attribute to me things that were done before I was even born. Even so, I readily admit that there were and still are things about the Dem party that I dont like. Do you think the same about the Repubs? Or are they true and right in every single thing they say and have ever done? You seem a bit wound up and aggrieved that I find fault with the Repubs. OF COURSE I DO - I'm a Dem. If I thought the Repubs were better then I would be voting for them. But being a Dem doesnt mean I have to toe the party line of two centuries ago - Especially when the Dem party itself hasnt been toeing that line for half a century by now.

I am wondering if this is a more general difference in viewpoint - Repubs tend to be far more cohesive and to dislike any deviation from the accepted party line. Insofar as this is true (and of course it isnt 100% true) it would be a mistake to assume that Dems are the same way. We DONT all toe the party line at all. In fact the Democratic party resembles a preschool playground more than any organized event - We all have a similar outlook but there are very different opinions about things.

So please dont act like I am saying things when you are imagining whatever it is that you think is the "stereotypical Dem". There really is no such thing and if there is, then it isnt a very good description of me a lot of the time.

And as for the substance of what you said, yes it is true that the Dems used to be the party of the slaveowning south. That hasnt been true for a long time now though, and certainly isnt true now not least because there is no such thing as a "slaveowning south". And yes, it is true that Abe Lincoln was a Republican (the first Rep. pres in fact) and sign me up as one who thinks he is probably one of our greatest presidents ever - But what that has to do with whether or not I should vote for John McCain is kind of hard for me to see.

[sck5]

Sailormon

I reread your post and it seems you have cast me on the side of the Confederates! You are on the side of the Union! For what its worth, on my mother's side the family arrived in the US in 1903. On my father's side, family history is hazy but there is an old picture my grandpa found in a shoebox of his grandpa (he thinks) in the uniform of a union officer. Another ancestor was one of the founders of the Grand Army of the Republic.

I am neither proud nor ashamed of any of this. It has nothing to do with me since I strongly believe each person must and should rise or fall on their own merits and efforts. But it goes to show that you can get very far afield when trying to relate people today to what organizations did centuries ago - There just isnt much relation.

[chucklesR]

I dunno Sck, I think your mama's side came here in 1903 as a sleeper cell from Russia (which was not even communist yet).



Now, you know that was a joke.

[PBzeer]

Certainly displays a penchant for taking the rhetorical literally, and the literal rhetorically. Not sure where that fits in though.

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Certainly displays a penchant for taking the rhetorical literally, and the literal rhetorically. Not sure where that fits in though.

Me either, but it sounds good - fit it into a comment and you're golden

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by sck5

sailormon

Hey, dont attribute to me things that were done before I was even born.

I'm not, but I do hold you responsible for your own actions and your own hypocrisy. You bear the responsibility for the fact that you incessantly attack our present and past office holders, charging them with racism and other sins for the flimsiest of reasons, while you sit on your hands and tolerate a Robert Byrd in your party. Before you worry about any alleged racism in our party, you should rout your party's most unrepentant racist from his honored place in the United States Senate. If I had used the "n" word just once during my career, I would have been fired. If a Republican office holder used the "n" word, you'd start a drum beat, and keep it up until he resigned. But when it comes to your highly visible racist Senator, you just can't find the courage to do it, because it would be politically disadvantageous to give up one seat in the Senate. When given a choice between honor and politics, it's clear where your priorities lie.

If you don't want to hear about your party's racist history, then don't accuse my party and it's respected members of racism. If you don't want to hear about your party's hypocrisy, then don't preach to us about racism until you have routed it out of your own party.

You seem a bit wound up and aggrieved that I find fault with the Repubs.

I don't have a problem with people finding fault with either the Republican Party or with Republicans, but I do have a problem with people who play fast and loose with the facts. Most people on this forum have a reasonable factual basis for their opinions, and I respect their opinions, but some are just propagandists.

Repubs tend to be far more cohesive and to dislike any deviation from the accepted party line. Insofar as this is true (and of course it isnt 100% true) it would be a mistake to assume that Dems are the same way. We DONT all toe the party line at all.

Your party's intolerance of people who don't toe the party line is evidenced by your party's primary opposition to the reelection of Joe Lieberman. Moreover, the Open Left organization has designated a long list of Democrat officeholders as "Bush Dog Democrats" because they voted against Democrat measures to pull-out of Iraq, or, because they voted to renew the wiretap authority, or because they failed to consistently oppose proposals of the Bush Administration. Open Left promises to oppose the reelection of all Bush Dog Democrats who aren't far enough to the left to suit them. Honestly, that's a little scary. It sounds like the inmates are taking control of the asylum. That is intolerance within your party, not mine. Open Left:: Step One in The Bush Dog Campaign: Creating a Public Record

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by sck5

Sailormon

I reread your post and it seems you have cast me on the side of the Confederates!

No I haven't. I've cast the Democrat Party on the side of the Confederates. You're the one who has put yourself on the side of the Democrat Party.

[chucklesR]

You guys are basically saying the same thing at each other from different sides of the same table.

Sure, different attitudes and delivery styles, but take that out of the equation and what I read is that both parties have folks you aren't proud of and or a past with flaws; and both parties have wings that aren't necessarily mainstream.

some one do the beatles song and we can 'come together' and close this thread in harmony

[chucklesR]

Damn, I had a Dr. Phil moment there....