Democrats versus Republicans

[2Gringos]

"Democrats can't get elected unless things get worse - and things won't get worse unless they get elected."

Jeane Kirkpatrick

[sck5]

Jeane Kirkpatrick!! THATS who sailaway should have for his new love interest!

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Sck...hah...you use a poll with Bush approval at 28% to "prove" the Libs have conservatives outnumbered this time around. Then I respond with a poll of my own showing just the opposite with the ACTUAL candiates...then you come up with another poll showing the race within the margin of statisical error and say polls don't prove anything till after Labor Day.
Then why did you use one in the first place!! ??
I actually agree with you that present polls are meaningless. Much will change in the world between now and November, much will change at home and candidates will make errors. The result is unknowable at this point...but McCain does not start out as an underdog like you implied.
My political view is that McCain will lose if the economy really goes in the tank OR if Iraq blows up into a big mess again. Obama/Hillary will lose in any other scenario as Mccain will continue to be looked upon more favorably by the independent VOTER (as opposed to the general population).
I don't expect you to agree...nor will I defend this as it is simply my opinion and events in this primary season have proven me wrong enough times not to be too impressed with my political soothsaying.
I actually think that Jeanne Kirkpatrick is too old for Sway...but I think he likes Ann Coulter's Vampira look.

[2Gringos]

“Have we been cryptic? Right-wingers said Clinton was a lying, unscrupulous traveling salesman. It turned out he was a lying, unscrupulous traveling salesman. Now liberals scratch their heads demanding to know: So what was it about him you didn't like?”

Ann Coulter

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Cam

It is McCain's conservative policies that will sink him I think. To look at the economy and be unable to come up with much more than more tax breaks isnt going to be a winning platform (at least I dont think so). And Iraq is STILL a mess and likely to be more so. I have yet to see why anyone thinks things are going so well there - no political progress whatever and car bombs going off all the time, soldiers dying every day and attacks within the Green Zone which didnt used to happen. And on health care it is hard for the Republicans to get much support if they cant bring themselves to do what it takes to lower drug costs or to get affordable health care to most people.

In short, their current ideas arent working so well and McCain is going to have to run on that record whether he likes it or not. Independent voters for the most part may like McCain but they sure dont like those policies.

And McCain has a habit of saying things that dont sound so good. Nobody is jumping on him right now because the Dems are squabbling amongst themselves. But that wont last. He is going to have problems even if he manages to hold his temper.

And yes, Sway does seem to have a thing for Ann Coulter. But I think she is a very unpleasant person. There are far more attractive republicans than that. But why stick with Repubs when Dems are hotter? Seems I recall Angelina Jolie is a Dem.

2 gringos - No I wouldnt want Clinton to date my sister. He did a pretty good job with the economy and foreign policy though. He was more popular than Ronald Reagan too. At least that is true according to Gallup which is the outfit with the longest consistent polling on this subject.

[2Gringos]

"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it. "

Thomas Sowell

[sailaway21]

"It's not that liberals know so much. It's that so much of what they know is wrong." Ronald Reagan

sck5,
You're really out-doing yourself today. You start off talking about polls and GW Bush when the polls all favor the Republican canidate and GW Bush will not be that canidate, nor will his vice president.

Then you bring up Jeanne Kirkpatrick, perhaps one of the smartest women in America from the last century and you have the balls to criticize her looks while Madeline Albright, who's both ugly and ignorant, is living in your closet.

Then you move on to health care which you deduce the problem to be that it's too expensive and nobody, nobody on the entire planet, see's any plan whatsoever that has a bratwurst's chance on CD's grill of actually lowering health care expenditures. It might be news to you but the single largest generation in American history started retiring last year. I'll make it simple for you; they're getting old. Old people need more health care. To quote PJ O'Rourke; "if you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free".

The first paragraph of your post 1905. Please name one thing that a Dem president is, or can, do that will be different than what the Rep will do on any one of those issues. And, btw, I'll clue you in on a little secret-we ain't leavin' Iraq until it's stable, and maybe not even then. You heard it here first.

Approaching the grand finale you offer up Angelina Jolie who you think might be a Democrat? Bo Derek is a superb actress in comparison to Jolie and she doesn't have a butt that looks like a mature dairy product. Have you got a pin-up of Eleanor Roosevelt in your garage? (g)

And the coup de grace; Bill Clinton was more popular than Ronald Reagan. Reagan carried 93 out of 100 states in two presidential elections. Against Jimmy Carter he won 44 states. Four years later Walter Mondale carried only his home state of Minnesota. Bill Clinton never received more than 50% of the popular vote in either election and carried only 32 states in 1992 and 31 states in 1996. I'd say Reagan was pretty popular where it counted-at the polls. You must have been reading one of those polls that Gallup does for Weight-Watchers magazine. I'll grant you, Bill Clinton probably earned the fat girl vote!

Since I've been rather a bit harsh of you tonight, I'll try to make up for it by letting you in on a little known secret; the president doesn't have hardly a damn thing to do with the economy. About the full limit of his "powers' is to appoint the Federal Reserve Chairman and sign either tax increases or tax cuts that originate within the Congress. Even his budget is, constitutionally speaking, is just a suggestion.

You'll probably have a better day tomorow. If you want to make sure of it, don't read that New Republic article. (g)

[sailaway21]

If those damn libs could just kep their mouth's shut. But no, they've got to let the common man know just how common he really is. The New Yorker never met a live conservative it could stand and even it get's the message; condescension and insulting a man's faith is not the way to win elections. Interesting Times: George Packer: Online Only: The New Yorker

Apparently the reason the libs are in favor of gun control is that they have such ample experience themselves with shooting off their own feet. And the liberal media is just flat out begging them to quit reloading. Damn, it's great to be alive!

[2Gringos]

"The Clinton administration launched an attack on people in Texas because those people were religious nuts with guns. Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns. Who does Bill Clinton think stepped ashore on Plymouth Rock? "

P. J. O'Rourke

[sck5]

Hey, if you dont believe Clinton was more popular than Reagan, check out this link - it is a statistics professor's website. The numbers are from Gallup, which asked the same question during all the years noted. It is quite obvious that Clinton had both higher average approval during his 8 years than Reagan did and that he ended up with higher approval than Reagan did. The only reason people think otherwise is that conservatives like to pretend Ronnie was some kind of religious figure while Bill C. spent his entire presidency getting blow jobs. (maybe he did but apparently more people liked what he did as Prez than what Reagan did)

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