Democrats versus Republicans

[chucklesR]

But PB,
I like having fun with liberal's almost as much as the ultra conservatives;
Please let Sck come out to play

[PBzeer]

You can play with him all you want

I just have a hard time playing basketball with a football

[erps]

I just have a hard time playing basketball with a football

That's a perfect description of the discussion from my perspective too.


I was over on Democratic Party Platform website last night. The Clinton deficit reduction was a major selling point, as well as the deficit increases under republican administrations. If I were a democrat, I'd be hammering that point too. If I were a republican, I'd be figuring a way to fix their image.

[PBzeer]

Now,if they could just tell you how they plan to increase spending as they propose, AND, reduce the deficit (in reality, not with smoke and mirrors)........

[chucklesR]

You have to ask yourself, what exactly did Clinton do to reduce the deficit?

Oh yeah, he failed to get his wife's Universal Health Care plan approved (400 billion a year in unfunded entitlements x 8 years).
He failed to get perscription drugs onto medicare (400 billion in increased entitlements).
He failed to fund the military adequately leading to readiness and training issues. (I know, I was there).
He failed to fund the intelligence services adequately (leading to Somalia, bombing of aspirin factories, and reports of WMD in Iraq (Some people like to forget that Clinton was on watch when the 'intelligence' going into those reports was developed).

So basically, he failed. his way to sucess

Yeah, yeah, I'd say Clinton caused it.

[sck5]

"what exactly did Clinton do to reduce the deficit?"

Clouds of BS cant change the fact that HE ELIMINATED IT ENTIRELY.

No republican can claim that.

And if you STILL believe cutting taxes increases revenue then you also have to believe that raising taxes reduces revenue.

How come, then, when Clinton raised taxes in 1993 revenue went UP? Not one of you wants to touch that one - I think because you know somewhere in your heart of hearts that if YOU tried to reduce your PERSONAL financial deficit by decreasing your income, your banker would laugh at you. And that is exactly the belief you profess to have about the government.

I guess you all can convince yourself of anything if you can look at the graph Erps posted, where tax cuts are followed by a decline in revenue (twice! after Reagan did it AND after Bush did it) and convince yourself that the line actually goes up and not down. Truly an exercise in magical thinking "Down is up!"

I live in the land of reality. When a tax cut is followed by a dip in revenue (twice!) and a tax increase is followed by an increase in revenue, and the graph clearly shows this to be true, I use common sense and conclude that when you ask for less money you get less. When you ask for more you get more.

To conclude otherwise is just silliness. It is the argument of people who dont want a tax increase and dont want to cut the services they enjoy either. Well, I stopped thinking that way when I turned 4.

It is a good thing we will get a Dem in the White House and the Congress looks set to throw out the Repubs wholesale. You dont get 81% of the country thinking you are on the wrong track because of the peachy keen way you are running the economy.

[sck5]

Pb

so i am a football? no wonder you guys like to kick me around

But sailing is still better than paying taxes right?

[chucklesR]

Sigh.
History is going to repeat itself again. The graph shows over time that income is not reduced, it it raised (it's called a tax burden, look it up).

come back after you do some studying.

Till then talking is pointless - you only see the NOW, not the REALITY and certainly not the cause and effect over any time frame longer than it takes to consume a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

[knothead]

I remember once hearing about a municipal transit system, (buses), that was losing money.
They raised the fares and their revenue increased... for a little while.
After a couple of months, ridership decreased and revenue fell below what it was before the fares were raised.
Then they lowered the fares to an amount that was less than they were originally and revenues continued to drop... for a little while.
After a month or so ridership increased and so did their revenue.

[sck5]

So why was it that revenue went up after Clinton raised taxes? AND growth went up to the highest we have seen in 40 years?

You dont want to answer because there IS no answer that doesnt completely ruin your silly belief that up is down.