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Mitch - do you really think killing them makes a better recruiting tool, than seeing us give up? Do you actually think that if we leave, in the foreseeable future, it won't be seen as a victory for the terrorists? Do you think they will quit fighting, if we cut and run? And if they aren't fighting us in their backyard, whose backyard do you think they'll use?
The "world opinion" that everyone seems so worried about, will definitely be that the terrorists won. That the US, once again, abandoned those it promised to aid, and left them at the mercy of the terrorists.
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who said anything about giving up? invading iraq was a mistake and we have already lost a lot by doing it. continuing to bang our heads against the wall wont change that.
I find it remarkable that the right wing is apparently utterly incapable of ever admitting a mistake. Even if it wont get us anything, even if thousands have to die to avoid admitting the truth, even if it means a hundred years of pointless war, they will never change strategy because to do so might mean that they made a mistake in the first place.
Here is a news flash - The only people who dont ALREADY KNOW you made a mistake is ..... YOU!! You dont lose anything by admitting it and stand to gain a lot. But no matter - I dont expect you will ever admit it, which is one of the biggest reasons we will be saying hello to President Obama in a few months!! 
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sck5 is right---none of us has called for giving up. all i am saying is that bush needs to complet the task in iraq-- which i presume means the iraqi's being able to defend themselves at the very least. do you think the twerrorists will conveniently hang around iraq forever? they have proven to be very mobile have they not? thing is i don't bush has a clue about how to end the iraq/afghanwar"successfully" anyway. hey, they may not agree to let us stay any longer anyway.
you guys act like iraq/afghan is the finish line. it isn't. we need to conclude that effort, let our troops rest a week or two so that we have the ability to take on the next stage. no 100 years in iraq for mccain either i assume you guys fall in line with bush that means invading iran? if this war on "islamism" is to continue for a long time what do you propose as the next target? again, just curious. surely sway has an op-ed piece on that.
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Here's the top 10 reasons to blame Dems for higher oil prices. If Johnnie Mac would pound these home...the 70% of the public that WANTS more drilling would see there is a real choice. (Of course he would have to flip-flop on Anwar but it wouldn't be the first time!) THIS is how to beat Obama!
American Thinker: Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices
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First of all, they ain't "MY" guys. Second of all, I don't recall anyone saying all it took was winning in Iraq and Afghanistan. You either want the troops home, or you want them to stay ... can't have it both ways.
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Your quotation marks above indicate that President Bush said that Osama, "didn't matter that much". Do you have any references for that quote? What is your source? Date, time, and location where said, please. |
done,sway. this was big poop at the time. where were you?: Think Progress » Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’
and there's also this. bush the flip flopper
Get Osama Bin Laden before I leave office, orders George W Bush - Times Online.
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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
"Compassion and tolerance are not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength." The Dalai Lama
good planets are hard to find-- a song by steve forbert
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging the future but by the past.-- Patrick Henry.
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First of all, they ain't "MY" guys. Second of all, I don't recall anyone saying all it took was winning in Iraq and Afghanistan. You either want the troops home, or you want them to stay ... can't have it both ways.
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i never said to just bring the troops home no matter what the cost. i do not agree with obama on that one bit. what i am challenging you guys to do is to enlighten us with the bush plans for ending this war. what does he see as asuccessful cnclusion?? Ido note the lack of a response on that one.
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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
"Compassion and tolerance are not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength." The Dalai Lama
good planets are hard to find-- a song by steve forbert
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging the future but by the past.-- Patrick Henry.
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Mitch...I will take a shot at this one. A successful conclusion to the war will find a stable Iraq government, able to control its' own borders and police its' own citizens...an Iraq which will not devolve into sectarian genocide absent our troops.
I think it will take a long time to do that but that we can get perhaps 2/3 of our troops out in the next couple of years if all keeps going reasonably well. That will be good because we will need them for our invasion of Iran! 
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i never said to just bring the troops home no matter what the cost. i do not agree with obama on that one bit. what i am challenging you guys to do is to enlighten us with the bush plans for ending this war. what does he see as asuccessful cnclusion?? Ido note the lack of a response on that one.
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PRESIDENT Bush said at the start this would take several years when it started. I think he is still within his plan. Democrats were on board until they needed to get back to politics.
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I think cam put it pretty well.
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